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    We'll take more care of you . . .

    Fashanu, Fashanu.

    John Fashanu doing his best to deflect (again) how badly he treated Justin about his sexuality.

    https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport...justin-1474825

    Bumped in to Justin many times on a saturday night in town in the early eighties. was always a true gentlemen, fully participated in any banter and always had at least two stunning women on his arm whenever you saw him!

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    Looks like Tony Woodcock in the background of the photo against Arsenal...?

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    Quite possibly the saddest story connected with Notts I can think of in my time supporting them. He was the first new signing we made after I started attending. You can't really blame his brother too much, I think he's doing the right thing now and Justin would be very proud of him.

    I would say the Arsenal player in the background center is Graham Rix with Kenny Sansom on the right, Stewart Robson trying to beat Fash to the header? What an absolute gem of a goal that was. Will never forget it.
    RIP Fash.

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    Was Justin Fashanu a good player for Notts? I'm too young to have seen him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marky View Post
    Was Justin Fashanu a good player for Notts? I'm too young to have seen him.
    As I remember it, he used to take some stick from the crowd for not chasing down defenders and loose balls but he was quality and had a decent scoring ratio. Probably would have been among our best ever if he had got his private life sorted out (I think he was very conflicted, especially at that time) and not had the injury. If I was making an all time Notts squad of 22 he wouldnt be in the starting 11 but definitely a contender for the bench.

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    I remember the astonishment in the press that an ex £million player had signed for little old Notts County.

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    I remember that he struggled to score goals, at least early on, on one occasion, he rose in front of goal, unchallenged and everyone expected him to bury it but he tried to be too emphatic with the header and cleared the bar.

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    A while back there was talk of a "group" of footballers coming out as gay at the same time, I think that's probably the best way to do it and once a group of players are out any others would hopefully feel more confident in doing it. It's about time, I don't think anyone in the stands other than the idiots who would shout stupid things and get kicked out anyway, would do much and I'd imagine/hope they'd be quickly shut up by fans around them.

    In womens sports, specifically football, there are countless gay players and nobody bats an eyelid about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DelroyFacey22 View Post
    A while back there was talk of a "group" of footballers coming out as gay at the same time, I think that's probably the best way to do it and once a group of players are out any others would hopefully feel more confident in doing it. It's about time, I don't think anyone in the stands other than the idiots who would shout stupid things and get kicked out anyway, would do much and I'd imagine/hope they'd be quickly shut up by fans around them.

    In womens sports, specifically football, there are countless gay players and nobody bats an eyelid about it.
    Would it be any worse than that suffered by black players occasionally?

    Once the initial curiosity is worn out, interest would die down very quickly I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by Airborn Pie View Post
    Would it be any worse than that suffered by black players occasionally?

    Once the initial curiosity is worn out, interest would die down very quickly I think

    Fan reaction probably isn't the main concern for a player thinking of coming out, it's most likely teammates. We have a huge foreign contingent in the game now, many of them from less secular nations than our own.

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    One thing we do know about football fans is that in most cases you could be black & gay but if you were banging the goals in every week these 'idiot' fans would quite happily be singing your name every week on the terraces!

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    Quote Originally Posted by upthemaggies View Post
    Fan reaction probably isn't the main concern for a player thinking of coming out, it's most likely teammates. We have a huge foreign contingent in the game now, many of them from less secular nations than our own.
    That's a fair point, religion certainly has a lot to answer for as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upthemaggies View Post
    Fan reaction probably isn't the main concern for a player thinking of coming out, it's most likely teammates. We have a huge foreign contingent in the game now, many of them from less secular nations than our own.
    I imagine if you are a gay footballer most of your teammates already would be aware. It is the coming out to the wider public and the potential reaction from the terraces that I think is the stumbling block, nothing to do with the foreign contingent in the dressing room.

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    I just think its the stigma that nobody wants to be the first or only one out.

    A few players in non league or once they've retired have come out but I don't think anyone since Fashanu has been openly gay and active at the height of their careers. The first gay american football players career didn't exactly go well for him and teams keep getting into trouble for illegally asking draft prospects if they "like men" so our football isn't the only one with a problem.

    I genuinely think once a few players come out, the proverbial floodgates would open and after some initial headlines it would get forgotten and everyone would move on.

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    It’s difficult for any of us to comprehend (unless anyone on here is gay of course) how difficult being openly gay is. I get the impression that in general society it has become easier for most gay men and women to be open about it.
    Being openly gay in football will have a number of areas of concern for a player, how will my team mates react? How will the club react? The supporters? Opposition players and fans? Marketing and sponsorship deals?

    Let’s face it, Football, Is massive. The implications of one mans sexuality could be massive. They shouldn’t be. But they could.

    It would be big news. The Sun would have pages dedicated to it? Why? Why should anyone’s sexuality be news? It’s private, for me, how any man or woman wants to live there life, it should be as private as they want to be. Footballers included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notts78 View Post
    It’s difficult for any of us to comprehend (unless anyone on here is gay of course) how difficult being openly gay is. I get the impression that in general society it has become easier for most gay men and women to be open about it.
    Being openly gay in football will have a number of areas of concern for a player, how will my team mates react? How will the club react? The supporters? Opposition players and fans? Marketing and sponsorship deals?

    Let’s face it, Football, Is massive. The implications of one mans sexuality could be massive. They shouldn’t be. But they could.

    It would be big news. The Sun would have pages dedicated to it? Why? Why should anyone’s sexuality be news? It’s private, for me, how any man or woman wants to live there life, it should be as private as they want to be. Footballers included.

    Totally agree but there seems to be a section of society, that thinks the public have a right to know, rubbish of course. I don't see why anyone should be duty or honour bound, to declare their sexuality, simply to satisfy a small number of politically active gays.

    The FA are complicit, they seem to be driving the move to have openly gay players just to prove how inclusive they are, leave them to their privacy, it really doesn't matter to most people.

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    If the floodgates were to open we could end up with the Rooney Rule being extended to insist on clubs interviewing at least one Gay candidate for the managers job. It shouldn't be an issue any more than whether a player is married or not, or has children etc. The problem is, if you have a high profile Premier League player, his private life will inevitably become known. If he wants to keep his sexuality to himself he's left with no choice but to live a lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upthemaggies View Post
    If the floodgates were to open we could end up with the Rooney Rule being extended to insist on clubs interviewing at least one Gay candidate for the managers job. It shouldn't be an issue any more than whether a player is married or not, or has children etc. The problem is, if you have a high profile Premier League player, his private life will inevitably become known. If he wants to keep his sexuality to himself he's left with no choice but to live a lie.
    I think that the number of gay players, may be grossly over estimated. Human nature being what it is, wouldn't someone have taken the opportunity to earn a few quid by outing at least one of them or a journo would try and make a name for themselves?

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    I used to bump into him most Saturdays at a Pub in St James Street, forgot the name now. He used to park his Pink Cadillac outside on double yellows and no one ever seemed to give him a ticket.

    He always had time for a chat about the afternoons match and seemed a genuinely nice bloke.

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    I can remember standing on the old Kop terrace for the Notts v Forest match on 4th December 1982, still my favourite ever match after all these years - can't think why!

    In the build up to the derby game there had been a strong rumour that Fash was going to cross the Trent to sign for us after he'd been frozen out at Forest by Brian Clough. Not all Notts fans welcomed this rumour. Throughout the game Forest fans on one half of the Kop were singing "we've got rid of you, Fashanu, Fashanu" while the Notts fans on the other side of the fence sang back "we don't want you, Fashanu, Fashanu". Poor old Fash who was sat in the old Main Stand during the game (wearing a huge brown sheepskin coat if I remember rightly) must have felt really unwanted - and this was some time before he announced he was gay.

    It was only after he signed for Notts and bagged a few goals did the fans really take to him and the words of the song changed to "we'll take more care of you, Fashanu, Fashanu".

    I don't remember Fash being prolific but I think he scored a couple of crackers including one at Anfield to draw us level in an eventual 5-1 defeat to Liverpool on New Years Day 1983 (my first away trip on a 'Football Special' train)

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