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    Quote Originally Posted by sickly_child View Post
    Not many to the left of him. Almost agree with Monty he is a parody.
    Trust me on this, sickly. G-f is a creation of one of our lefties. Kerr makes a good point. The actual intellectual basis of "left" politics as exemplified by roly and his gang has lost all grounding in any objective realities and simply judges people on whether they are "nice". Sadly "All You Need Is Love" is probably an inadequate approach.

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    He may well be a creation, if so they've copied followers of people like Paul Joseph Watson and followers of infowars, I get how it could be hard to believe but people like GF definitely do exist. Folk get taken in by these con men if you read the comments they get on youtube for example you'll find the folk like GF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grist_To_The_Mill View Post
    It isn't well thought out is it?

    Odd as it may seem I'm a Labour supporter at heart but couldn't find it in myself to vote for Blair and now hell would freeze over before I gave Corbyn and his cronies my vote.

    Sadly, nationally May and Co are the best of a very poor choice of government.

    Locally, I despair, more of the same though isn't the answer.

    Maybe it's time for a "centrist" party to launch? One free from the shackles of the EU.
    Ye, there shouldn't be such a thing as a strong hold for any party, maybe then we'd see some decent changes? It's a joke round here especially locally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sickly_child View Post
    This is interesting Grist, I agree about Blair and to be honest have not followed Corbyn closely enough to form a reliable opinion. My question is who would be your kind of Labour leader?

    Well there’s no perfect choice, but I was a fan of Denis Healey, John Smith, David Blunkett and Barbara Castle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monty_rhodes View Post
    Trust me on this, sickly. G-f is a creation of one of our lefties. Kerr makes a good point. The actual intellectual basis of "left" politics as exemplified by roly and his gang has lost all grounding in any objective realities and simply judges people on whether they are "nice". Sadly "All You Need Is Love" is probably an inadequate approach.
    Can you give any examples of a "leftie" on here who has expressed a political viewpoint or supported a political figure, just in the basis that they are nice?

    I don't really understand your argument here. From what I can see, left and right arguments on here tend to be based on how we should fund public services as well as godforsaken repetitive circular arguments about immigration.

    How does 'nice' come into it, do explain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grist_To_The_Mill View Post
    Well there’s no perfect choice, but I was a fan of Denis Healey, John Smith, David Blunkett and Barbara Castle.
    I always thought of Corbyn as being quite similar to Smith politically. What for you are the differences that you can be a fan of Smith but so disliking of Corbyn?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
    I always thought of Corbyn as being quite similar to Smith politically. What for you are the differences that you can be a fan of Smith but so disliking of Corbyn?

    Smith could grasp the fundamental fact that spending more than the country earns results in disaster. Corbyn spends the same pot of money on many different things just to grab a vote.

    Also Corbyn is basically a glove puppet with a very undesirable hand stuck up him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grist_To_The_Mill View Post
    Smith could grasp the fundamental fact that spending more than the country earns results in disaster. Corbyn spends the same pot of money on many different things just to grab a vote.

    Also Corbyn is basically a glove puppet with a very undesirable hand stuck up him.

    From my memory Smith was quite an advocate for public spending and I believe before he died supported Gordon Brown's proposals for 50p in the pound rate of income tax. He spoke many times that the wealthy "should be proud" of their tax obligation in enriching society as well as themselves. I always had him down as quite an old school socialist.

    Smith would I'm pretty sure approve of the last labour manifesto. What leads do you think that he wouldn't?

    And who's is the hand stuck up him and what are their motives do you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by monty_rhodes View Post
    Trust me on this, sickly. G-f is a creation of one of our lefties. Kerr makes a good point. The actual intellectual basis of "left" politics as exemplified by roly and his gang has lost all grounding in any objective realities and simply judges people on whether they are "nice". Sadly "All You Need Is Love" is probably an inadequate approach.

    Utter nonsense. GF and the many people like him are the unfortunate creation of:

    1. Many years of uncontrolled and, crucially, not thought-through, non-integrated immigration that in economic terms benefits the UK but in cultural and integration terms causes lots of problems with communities not integrating properly

    2. The pace of migrant influx into some areas, some of this due to affordability to settle, others through directed settlement of asylum seekers, again, crucially, without any thought given to impact upon the locals and effective integration of immigrants

    3. The austerity programme of the last decade (some would say necessary, others would say political choice) has led to greater financial strain on everyone and led people to look for someone to blame

    4. The national culture in the last 6 or 7 years, starting with the government targeting 'illegal immigrants' running through to the referendum debates where the Leave campaign for me shamelessly targeted immigration as being the main cause of our financial hardship. The economic arguments, and actual FACTS that EU immigration brings net gain to the UK and largely props up our public services was left to the side - the focus was quite hostile with the key message that if we stop/reduce migration, our economic problems will end.

    In points 1 - 3, I think people like GF have a very good point. Large numbers of migrants into any country WITHOUT PLANNED INTEGRATION may be an overall economic good but I would agree (and many on the 'left' will batter me for this) that it causes lots of racial/cultural problems as people's natural position will always be to settle and socialise with their own social groups.

    And that's where we are, in many towns. The 'unspoken elephant' of 2/3 or more cultures living divided in the same towns, unwilling to integrate is a huge problem and won't go away until we face up to it. (London is weirdly different to this as the housing market is so inflated, with so many cultures fighting to afford wherever they can get without being able to settle in larger communities (with a few exceptions) - people of different backgrounds are thrown together by schools and therefore are forced to integrate - I think this is crucial!)

    So I have more in common with GF and his ilk than I feel comfortable with and am angry with successive governments for creating these problems in our towns and still not facing up to the integration problems that are obvious. But to say that the creation of GF is a creation of 'the left' erects yet another smokescreen, further avoids the real problem, and therefore gets us even further away from any solutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monty_rhodes View Post
    Trust me on this, sickly. G-f is a creation of one of our lefties. Kerr makes a good point. The actual intellectual basis of "left" politics as exemplified by roly and his gang has lost all grounding in any objective realities and simply judges people on whether they are "nice". Sadly "All You Need Is Love" is probably an inadequate approach.
    Where you been Monty? Missing your acerbic wit.

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