Remember Rafa's championship team he's working with?

[ghostrider]

I was just having a think about it and I decided to have a look at his buys and what he already had left at the club when we went down.
It turns out that what he had left , which were obviously premier league players, regardless, most of his buys were also premier league players or players from the premier league of other countries such as Germany or Spain.

Basically we came back up with mostly premier league players who spent a season in the championship and very few bought championship players.

Discuss.

[HughieG]

I was just having a think about it and I decided to have a look at his buys and what he already had left at the club when we went down.
It turns out that what he had left , which were obviously premier league players, regardless, most of his buys were also premier league players or players from the premier league of other countries such as Germany or Spain.

Basically we came back up with mostly premier league players who spent a season in the championship and very few bought championship players.

Discuss.

Depends on your definition. Gayle has played plenty of PL games, but is he good enough for this league? Evidently not if you look at goals pr. game (ie. he doesn't score enough goals).

[Jammy89]

Ghost.

We know you don't like Rafa, we know you'd like Pardew or someone of his ilk back.

But really. . .

No league is the same, the top division of one country can and usually is vastly different to another.

Would you regard the Scottish Prem as the same level as the English Prem?

Of course you wouldn't. So comparison of players from those leagues - it doesn't really work.

[ghostrider]

Depends on your definition. Gayle has played plenty of PL games, but is he good enough for this league? Evidently not if you look at goals pr. game (ie. he doesn't score enough goals).

It's not about whether people think he's good enough for the league. The fact remains that the players were mostly premier league players.

[ghostrider]

Ghost.

We know you don't like Rafa, we know you'd like Pardew or someone of his ilk back.

But really. . .

No league is the same, the top division of one country can and usually is vastly different to another.

Would you regard the Scottish Prem as the same level as the English Prem?

Of course you wouldn't. So comparison of players from those leagues - it doesn't really work.

Ok then forget the other countries leagues and just look at the premier league players Rafa went down with and kept and also who he bought to get us back up.
Mostly premier league players.

[Zippity]

Gayle, for instance, is a player who's played in the Premier League but isn't Premier League quality.

We're going to have to spend 'proper' money to buy a striker who guarantees goals at this level.

Problem is, in Ashley's 10 years we've bought (according to the Chronic) 20 strikers for a total of £53 mil. Chances of him shelling out even half of that (and that would get you, roughly, a Slimani these daya) are slim. Gonna have to hope Rafa has a few hidden gems up his sleeve. The next Andy Cole or Jamie Vardy would be good.

[ghostrider]

Gayle, for instance, is a player who's played in the Premier League but isn't Premier League quality.

We're going to have to spend 'proper' money to buy a striker who guarantees goals at this level.

Problem is, in Ashley's 10 years we've bought (according to the Chronic) 20 strikers for a total of £53 mil. Chances of him shelling out even half of that (and that would get you, roughly, a Slimani these daya) are slim. Gonna have to hope Rafa has a few hidden gems up his sleeve. The next Andy Cole or Jamie Vardy would be good.

For me that's what we should be doing. We should be looking for the next Andy Cole type or the next Ginola or Rob Lee type.
There's plenty out there if the scouting system is on the ball as well as Rafa's own identification of players throughout his travels.


This club is not geared to taking on expensive players and having them perform any better than a good identified bargain player would.
Have a think on the expensive one's compared to the cheaper one's.

Just since Ashley took over.

I reckon if we start to buy one expensive player, we're on course for major problems. Seriously I do.

As of now I mean.
We need to build sensibly again and Rafa (assuming he stays) has to grasp that.

[HughieG]

It's not about whether people think he's good enough for the league.

What's the point of this thread then? To say that nearly all of our players at one point or another have played in the Premier League and are thus PL level players, whether we like it or not?

[ghostrider]

What's the point of this thread then? To say that nearly all of our players at one point or another have played in the Premier League and are thus PL level players, whether we like it or not?

The point of the thread was the argument that people said Rafa was in the premier league with a championship squad.
The reality was he was in the championship with a premier league squad or he was in the premier league with a premier league squad.

Whether people deem them good enough or not, those players are still in the premier league, so they must be good enough to be in there. But the real issue is, they were nearly all from there, anyway.

[HughieG]

The point of the thread was the argument that people said Rafa was in the premier league with a championship squad.
The reality was he was in the championship with a premier league squad or he was in the premier league with a premier league squad.

Whether people deem them good enough or not, those players are still in the premier league, so they must be good enough to be in there. But the real issue is, they were nearly all from there, anyway.

But why is that discussion relevant if we're not supposed to argue whether the players are good enough? The whole point that was being made was that they were Championship players in terms of their level, so you have to connect those labels to their ability.

You say they all came from the Premier League? That's true. They got relegated. And then they found themselves in the Championship. Following your own logic, that would make them Championship players as apparently ability is no matter, it's all about the league they find themselves in.