OT: Trump moves the world nearer to Armagheddon

[LaxtonLad]

As to our 'special relationship' - in the light of US now reneging/flip-flopping on every major international deal, who can trust them anymore?

You could never trust them in the first place, America first, last and everything in between, every time, every occasion. Canada and Mexico, their nearest neighbours, don't trust them - why should the rest of the world? Especially as most Americans don't even know where the rest of the world is.

[SolSigns]

You could never trust them in the first place, America first, last and everything in between, every time, every occasion. Canada and Mexico, their nearest neighbours, don't trust them - why should the rest of the world? Especially as most Americans don't even know where the rest of the world is.

Good point - but that's not been the UK govt. line on the US relationship. May's going to find it hard now to say what's so special about it - especially when Trump starts imposing sanctions on British companies for dealing with Iran.

The US as a player in world affairs is one thing, an exclusionary and isolationist US is a whole different beast.

[MagpieTony]

Is this the same UN who denied Saddam had WMD's when the US and Bliar were sure they had?

Are you saying the UN - whose security council includes the US and the UK - wants Iran to have nukes?

Trump's intelligence sources: you mean the Israeli spy co. Black Cube? Yah, no agenda there then.



Iran's survival depends on their ability to protect themselves - from an armed-to-the-teeth and blood-thirsty Israel.

Saudi Arabia is a terrorist supporting regime which has suppressed it's people for years and represents a threat to the rest of the world. So the US/UK sells them arms.




It's just been shown that Trump's attorney received half a million dollars from a friend of Putin last year - AND from Korean companies too. NK's main nuclear testing station is not even functional. This whole sudden peace thing was a set up to promote Trump.

Agree with your other points though. As to our 'special relationship' - in the light of US now reneging/flip-flopping on every major international deal, who can trust them anymore?

I wouldn't trust the UN as far as I could throw them. Bush and Blair were both criminal warmongers and both should be in jail.
As I said, the US has its own intelligence it does not have to rely on Israel or anyone else. The US under Obama definitely wanted Iran to have nukes. Obama supplied the technology, the financing and the uranium.

Agree about Saudi, why on earth we keep supplying them with weapons is beyond me. Has to be when money triumphs over morality.

If you believe your last point, you are wildly off the mark as will be revealed in the future. How much did the Clinton Foundation receive from Russia? Why was the NK nuclear facility inactive? Who had been supporting and financing NK''s nuclear programme?

[SolSigns]

As I said, the US has its own intelligence it does not have to rely on Israel or anyone else.

You said "Trump has his own intelligence" which is true - he uses Israeli intelligence.

The US under Obama definitely wanted Iran to have nukes.

That's contrary to what most people believe. You're going to have to prove that beyond what some Breitbart 'specialist' claims.

How much did the Clinton Foundation receive from Russia? Why was the NK nuclear facility inactive? Who had been supporting and financing NK''s nuclear programme?

I don't buy this "What about the Clintons?" riposte to every piece of evidence against Trump. Trump was a dirty businessman well known for paying lawyers instead of his suppliers, well known for ripping off his customers too. You think this leopard has changed his spots? You think this swamp is any different from the last swamp?

Yeah, the whole NK thing looks like a setup to me.

[AltyPie]

Yeah, the whole NK thing looks like a setup to me.

1. Do you have any evidence it’s a “set up” or is it just your opinion based on “gut feel”?
2. If it is a “set up to promote Trump” what do you see NK/Kim getting out of it?
3. Finally, if you’re right, & it’s not genuine wouldn’t you expect SK to be calling foul on it pretty soon?

My own opinion FWIW is that the proof would be in a signed war ending NK/SK Peace Agreement pudding. What would your thoughts be if that happened?

[SolSigns]

1. Do you have any evidence it’s a “set up” or is it just your opinion based on “gut feel”?
2. If it is a “set up to promote Trump” what do you see NK/Kim getting out of it?
3. Finally, if you’re right, & it’s not genuine wouldn’t you expect SK to be calling foul on it pretty soon?

My own opinion FWIW is that the proof would be in a signed war ending NK/SK Peace Agreement pudding. What would your thoughts be if that happened?

Gut feel. Truth is, when it comes to most politics and the media these days, we're all mushrooms kept in the dark and fed ****. Lots of 'proof' from all sides of the internet database, but these deals are like laws and sausages. Nobody here will convince me they know what they're really made of.

I think the most reasonable argument for it being negotiated is that powerful influences are convinced both men are lunatics capable of ultimate solutions just to prove a point. Assuming nobody really benefits from an actual nuclear war, there was probably also more pressure from China and Russia and everyone this time than there ever has been.

I think the most likely ultimate explanation, for what I genuinely hope is a lasting peace thanks, is that all sides are getting something they wanted out of the settlement. NK, with a failed nuclear capability and unsupportable domestic economic situation, gets an honourable surrender. SK gains stability and security on the peninsula. DT gets a ****ing peace prize. Obama's was almost as ridiculous, imo and for the record.

[Airborn Pie]

And now we're gonna have these 3 NK prisoners on the tv all day withy Trump, preening and boasting, telly off today for me.

[MagpieTony]

You said "Trump has his own intelligence" which is true - he uses Israeli intelligence.

If you believe that Trump's main and sole source of intel is Israel then go ahead.

That's contrary to what most people believe. You're going to have to prove that beyond what some Breitbart 'specialist' claims.

There is a lot of open source information surrounding this if you take the time to do the necessary research. It is a waste of time posting 'evidence' on here no matter how compelling or bullet proof. People will either ignore it, rubbish the source, mock the poster, try to play tit for tat or whatever. I will post one thing though. It is only a small titbit but fits in with other info that I have managed to obtain. I would like to say though that I recognise that we are probably a million miles away from each other politically and I don't have a problem with that. I respect your right to your views and I am not trying to change your mind. I fully agree with your comment that we will only ever have a partial view of what is really going on. That is why we need to keep an open mind and be prepared to allow our understanding to develop. Here is a piece from wikileaks on the Obama theme.

If there is any truth in this would it change your thinking?

[Trickytreesreds]

The reaction in the Iranian parliament was enough for me.

Burning the American flag + agreement/ death to America was the chant.
Yep nice bunch, who you can obviously deal with. This is supposedly the authoritarians you are supposed to deal with.

Now Saudi is saying, if Iran gains a NW, then itself becoming a Nuclear power will be given top priority.
The whole region will burn at some point, it is inevitable. Even without Israel, they've been knocking lumps out of each other for all time.


Still who knows, maybe the bible was right.

According to the Book of Revelation in the New Testament of the Bible, Armageddon (/ˌɑːrməˈɡɛdən/, from Ancient Greek: Ἁρμαγεδών Harmagedōn,[1][2] Late Latin: Armagedōn,[3] from Hebrew: הר מגידו‬ Har Megiddo) is the prophesied location of a gathering of armies for a battle during the end times, variously interpreted as either a literal or a symbolic location. The term is also used in a generic sense to refer to any end of the world scenario.

"Mount" Tel Megiddo is not actually a mountain, but a tell (a hill created by many generations of people living and rebuilding on the same spot)[4] on which ancient forts were built to guard the Via Maris, an ancient trade route linking Egypt with the northern empires of Syria, Anatolia and Mesopotamia. Megiddo was the location of various ancient battles, including one in the 15th century BC and one in 609 BC. Modern Megiddo is a town approximately 25 miles (40 km) west-southwest of the southern tip of the Sea of Galilee in the Kishon River area in Israel.[5]

[tarquinbeech]

Mmmmmm.....so Iran is backing Assad in Syria, along with Russia....Turkey, USA, Saudi and most of the West are backing proxy armies to overthrow him.

Assad apparently drops chemical weapons on his own people (do me a favour), the USA, UK and France launch airstrikes hours BEFORE the chemical experts get there....now Israel are joining in by shelling Iranian troops stationed in Syria.

Meanwhile, Trump pulls out of the Iran "deal" prompting more sanctions and Iran threatens to build a nuclear bomb as "a priority".

So the West has now managed to destabilise Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Yemen.....demonise Russia and is now turning it's sights on Iran.....meanwhile the MSM reported yesterday that US weapons sales are literally sky-rocketing (excuse the pun) with half of their sales going directly to the middle-east.

Someone is making a bucket-load of cash....and pulling our plonkers at the same time

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...he-middle-east

Meanwhile, the UK government is increasing it's financial support to the White Helmets, presumably to help them improve the quality of their fake videos?