Gaza (New)

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BT:

Oh! sorry I thought you were here in the Ottoman period, and buggered off, maybe making eye's at one of the Sultans many wives??

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Israel has since rejected any resolution calling on it to allow the Palestinians to come into Israel. Since General Assembly resolutions are not binding, and only serve as advisory statements, there can be no obligation or enforcement of Resolution 194.

The problem is ''the Jews want to preserve their culture, language, traditions and want their way of life etc''. When I came here there were about 3.5 million. If 100k arabs came here ,after 25- 50 ? years, and with arabs breeding 'kids' ,families having 6-9 kids . The system being democratic ,one man one vote ! How long will it be until all that which was Israel will disappear?

So what Israel wants is secure and regognized borders,the right to live in peace etc etc

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At the UN Human Rights Council.

Jerusalem will have to consider its next moves following the stinging insult from countries friendly to Israel, including members of the European Union,

The Human Rights Council passed the resolution despite Hamas's admission that 50 of the 61 killed were members of the terror group.

"At a time when Venezuela lurches toward dictatorship, Iran imprisons thousands of political opponents, and ethnic cleansing has taken place in Burma, the UN's so-called Human Rights Council has decided to launch an investigation into a democratic country's legitimate defense of its own border against terrorist attacks,"


Germany and Britain disappointed Israel just as much by opting to abstain rather than oppose the resolution, which Israel considers to be disgraceful. It is likely the Germans are seeking to avoid any additional division in the EU in the midst of the Brexit crisis. The British ambassador did propose to form an Israeli commission of inquiry with international representatives, but his proposal was rejected.

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Israel has since rejected any resolution calling on it to allow the Palestinians to come into Israel. Since General Assembly resolutions are not binding, and only serve as advisory statements, there can be no obligation or enforcement of Resolution 194.

The problem is ''the Jews want to preserve their culture, language, traditions and want their way of life etc''. When I came here there were about 3.5 million. If 100k arabs came here ,after 25- 50 ? years, and with arabs breeding 'kids' ,families having 6-9 kids . The system being democratic ,one man one vote ! How long will it be until all that which was Israel will disappear?

So what Israel wants is secure and regognized borders,the right to live in peace etc etc

Exactly,you don't want them anywhere near..

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The Palestinians aren't the only ones with problems, but you won't get BT and his lefty chums wringing their hands about the situation the poor buggers in Syria, described below, find themselves in. You can't blame Israel or the Jews in this case, so the Left aren't interested.

"Assad Is Desperate for Soldiers. The problem is that few want to fight for him."

Sam Dagher May 14, 2018

"TRIPOLI, Lebanon—In late March, the Assad regime released a propaganda video aimed at the young men of Syria. In the video, titled “Braids of Fire,” Asma al-Assad, the wife of Bashar al-Assad, the president of Syria, stands before a squad of female army volunteers dressed in camouflage and army boots. “You are far stronger and more courageous than many men because when the going got tough, you were on the front lines, and they were the ones running away or hiding,” she declares. Her words are intercut with images of the women volunteers in combat training, as well as testimonials from the women and their mothers. The underlying message: Shame on you men for fleeing military service—a “sacred duty” enumerated in Syria’s constitution.
When protests against the Assad regime began in 2011, the Syrian army numbered about 250,000. But tens of thousands of defections, desertions, and mass casualties over more than seven years of conflict have gutted the military. While its current size is unknown, one thing is clear: Assad is now going to great lengths to reconstitute his forces. The problem is that few Syrians want to fight for him.

The week that the Assad regime released “Braids of Fire,” I met a Christian man in his 40s from Aleppo, once Syria’s largest city, at a cafe in the Lebanese port city of Tripoli. Assad and many in his regime’s inner circle are Alawite, a religious minority linked to Shia Islam. Christians are also a minority in Syria; many of them regard Assad as their protector from a rebellion led mostly by Sunni Muslims. Yet, despite that perceived partiality to the regime, several months ago the man from Aleppo whisked his 22-year-old son out of Syria. He was desperate to save him from conscription: Under Syrian law, it is compulsory for Syrian men between the ages of 18 to 42 to serve in the military. Those who evade service face imprisonment and forcible conscription. Since 2011, most conscripts have been kept in the army indefinitely. (Some exemptions for work or study are available.) Army service for women, meanwhile, remains voluntary.

At present, the man’s wife and other son, who is 16, remain in Syria. He plans to bring his younger son to Lebanon before he turns 18, unless the family can find a way to migrate to the West. In Syria, “nobody knows the endgame. … If my son goes to the army and is killed it would be for nothing,” he told me.
Millions of Syrians—both those in the country and elsewhere, pro- and anti-Assad alike—do not believe the war will end anytime soon, despite the regime’s insistence otherwise. So they take huge risks to save their fathers, husbands, sons, and brothers from conscription, especially as the regime has grown more desperate to fill the army’s ranks.

Assad’s need for soldiers began to mount not long after the anti-regime protests of 2011 turned into civil war. Defections and desertions from an army already plagued by decades of corruption, sectarianism, and a lack of resources rose as the confrontation turned more brutal. Iran and its militias intervened to avert regime collapse starting in late 2012; in 2014, Assad activated mandatory army reserve duty as desertions grew. In the fall of 2015, Russia intervened directly on his behalf, and provided crash training and funding for new paramilitary units.

Assad now wants to show his own people and the world that he is once again a sovereign leader whose survival does not hinge on Iran and Russia. Both want Syria to shoulder more of the burden, and soon. But that can’t happen if Syrians refuse to fight for Assad. To pressure and influence people, the Assads, state media, and pro-regime religious leaders have all portrayed those serving in the army and their families as the most honorable Syrians, while casting deserters as unpatriotic and unworthy.
While the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) said it does not track the number of Syrian men who have fled conscription, there has been a marked increase in the number of draft dodgers arriving in Lebanon since the start of the year. The lack of manpower could become a critical issue for Assad if Israel continues to target Iran and its main regional proxy Hezbollah inside Syria. The Russians, meanwhile, have minimized their ground-troop presence in Syria.

In Damascus, many men now hide in their homes to avoid arrest at security checkpoints, or to steer clear of the conscription offices the regime has opened on university campuses. But this won’t keep them safe for long. Authorities raid neighborhoods and homes, hunting for wanted conscripts and reservists. They have also cracked down on networks allowing people to pay bribes of up to $12,000 to remove their names from the army-reserve roll call. These days, it can cost twice as much to leave. But it can mean the difference between life or death.

This is the sentiment I heard from nearly all of the two dozen Syrian men I have met in Lebanon since the start of the year. The majority of them live in Beirut, Tripoli, and in towns and villages in the region known as Mount Lebanon. I verified their stories by speaking to Lebanese people who knew their circumstances. Most did not want to be identified by their full names, or asked me to mask certain personal details. They feared family members in Syria could be targeted by the regime. Rustum, a 29-year-old Alawite man from western Syria, said he paid bribes to get out of prison and come to Lebanon earlier this year after he was arrested in Syria for evading army service. Alawites like him have shouldered most of the burden of defending Assad. “We have given our all. There are hardly any men left,” he said.

Another man named Ribal, a Druze, fled conscription and settled in Beirut at the end of 2017. (Assad has pressured the Druze, a minority group of fewer than 1 million people, to do something about their more than 30,000 draft dodgers.) He told me he left Damascus and hid in his family’s home village in southern Syria for three months. Fearing arrest, he stayed up all night with a shotgun at his side and slept during the day when his parents were awake. Eventually, he left Syria via a dangerous smuggling route passing through the rugged mountains that straddle the border between Israel, Lebanon, and Syria. After making it to Lebanon, he learned through Facebook that 15 of his countrymen froze to death trying to get out of Syria using the same route he did. He now does menial work in hopes of raising enough money to pay a smuggler to get him to Norway, where his relatives received asylum.

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Despite the uncertainty in Syria, others still hope to return one day. Riad, a 23-year-old Arab from Raqqa, the former capital of the Islamic State, lives with about 40 other Syrians in an encampment of UNHCR-provided tents at the foot of Mount Sannine. He said he wanted to go home, but feared conscription by both the Assad regime and Kurdish militias: The regime controls all roads to Raqqa from Lebanon. “Bashar is there to stay and I do not want to be made to kill my countrymen,” he said.
The longer the war in Syria drags on, the greater pressure refugees will face to leave countries they’ve gone to. Lebanon, an unstable country of more than 4 million, hosts more than 1 million Syrians, the world’s highest per capita refugee population. Most Syrians, including those fleeing conscription, are in the country illegally: In 2015, Lebanon banned the UNHCR from registering them as refugees, in an attempt to discourage new arrivals. At a press conference in March in Lebanon, the UNHCR’s chief Filippo Grandi flagged one of the main obstacles to repatriation. “Many people are afraid to be conscripted in the army and having to fight. So we need to negotiate amnesties and exemptions,” he said.

The Syrian presence in Lebanon was a hot-button issue in the country’s parliamentary elections on May 6. Many Christians feared that the longer the mostly Muslim Syrian refugees stayed, the bigger threat they would pose to their already weak position in the country’s sectarian system of governance.

Gebran Bassil, Lebanon’s Christian foreign minister, has fanned such fears, making xenophobic statements linking Syrian refugees to terrorism. His powerful party is allied with the political arm of Hezbollah, whose militia has been fighting in Syria to prop up Assad. He and his party have done their best to chase out Syrians, especially military-age men, Human Rights Watch researchers in Lebanon told me.

Bassil, who was reelected this month, has warned of an “international conspiracy” to keep Syrians in Lebanon. He has demanded that the EU and UN rescind a joint statement they issued in April calling both for any return of Syrian refugees to be “voluntary and in safety and dignity,” and for greater protection for Syrians in places like Lebanon. Repatriation of Syrians must begin now, Bassil has said; most of Syria, according to him, is safe.

For now, as long as these Syrian men remain in Lebanon, there will be low-wage and mostly illegal work for them in construction, agriculture, and waste collection. Mohammed, a 24-year-old, and his 19-year-old brother are among the estimated 300 young Syrian men working illegally in the sprawling wholesale fruit and vegetable market of Bab al-Tabbaneh, a densely populated and impoverished working-class neighborhood in Tripoli. They told me they and most of the Syrian men in the market are wanted by the Assad regime for military service. Like the vast majority of Tripoli’s local population, they are all Sunni.
Mohammed married last year and now has a three-month-old baby boy. He lives in a slum in Tripoli. “The revolution may have ended militarily but it’s still in our hearts. Bashar al-Assad can try to impose his rule over us, but it won’t work. You have a whole generation now nurtured on hating him,” he said."

Sam Dagher is a reporter in the Middle East and the author of a forthcoming book on the Assad regime.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

The US, French and British right wing governments thought they could solve the problem in Syria by bombing it to bits.

The IDF think they can solve the Palestinian "problem" by slaughtering innocents.

Time to take on board Corbyn's diplomatic approach methinks.

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I have just heard of him some time ago but from the British Army, Col. Richard Kemp took the floor on behalf of UN Watch at today's emergency session of the United Nations Human Rights Council to dispel lies:

https://www.facebook.com/StandWithUs...5347230831561/

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What is Palestine? Who are the Palestinians? Whose land is it anyway?

Historically, "Palestine" is the name of a region and did not refer to a specific country. The name "Palestine" was given by the Romans to what was the Land of Israel and Judea. The Bible never uses the term "Palestine" or "Palestinians" and refers to the land as "Israel" and "Judea."

Before conquering Jerusalem, the Romans, as everyone else, called the land "Judea."

In 70 A.D., the Romans conquered ancient Israel and destroyed the second Jewish Temple. The Roman empire issued a coin with the phrase “Judaea Capta” -- "Judea has been conquered."

the Siege of Jerusalem (70 A.D.) Arch of Titus, Rome. Shows the romans taking the spoils of Jerusalem. Google it?
Most of Judea's Jewish population were either killed, enslaved, or exiled. Still, some Jews stayed in the land.

In 135 A.D., after the failed Bar Kokhba revolt, the Roman emperor Hadrian, in an attempt to erase any memory of Judea or Ancient Israel and in order to humiliate the defeated Jews, renamed the land of Israel and Judea as "Syria Palaestina" (later to be called "Palestine".) The name came from the Jews' ancient enemies - the Philistines - who were not Semites, but rather redheaded seafarers, closely related to the Greeks.

This is the origin of the name "Palestine." There was never an independent state, Arabic or not, in any territory, that was called "Palestine."

https://youtu.be/5jjOOpEvMHA


To really understan this Israel v's Palestine

http://mideasttruth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12097

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Kuwaiti Writer Abdullah Al-Hadlaq: Israel Is a Legitimate State, Not an Occupier


https://www.facebook.com/15003238069...5201795425747/