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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram59 View Post
    I think that I could have stayed out in front in my 1972 MGB roadster.
    I used to have 1966 Midget 1098CC twin carbs, basically the Mini Cooper S engine.

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    Its Canadian GP weekend and I've reactivated this thread to see if StensonRam is still alive.

    Ah, the Canadian GP. On balance, since I started watching regularly in '82, the best GP of the year

    A great example of Olympic Legacy, the GP track runs round the service roads for the '76 Montreal rowing course

    Highlight? Jenson Button's amazing win from the back in 2011

    Lowlight? Riccardo Paletti's sickening death at the start of the 1982 race

    My prediction for a win? Hamilton

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    Talking about an unfortunate death on the track, who was the British World Champion who died on the track?
    Was a Scot I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romanis View Post
    Talking about an unfortunate death on the track, who was the British World Champion who died on the track?
    Was a Scot I believe.
    Don't get me started on motorsport history, I'll end up as the new R4J

    Jim Clark, Hockenheim during a F2 race. There was a plaque erected in his memory next to the track, but the track at that point of the circuit was abandoned in the 90's so the plaque remains in situ basically in the middle of a forest

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    Obviously the Merc and Ferrari drivers have the fastest machines so those 4 are in with a shout. However, despite all his "incidents" so far this season, not all of which were his fault (just most ), this track suits Max Verstappen and his Red Bull and he might just shout loudest this weekend.

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    So now let's see how much merc really were holding back in p1,2 and 3, the clever money is saying they'll have half a second over everyone else coupled with it being Lewis' favourite track, he normally owns this track

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    Quote Originally Posted by StensonRam View Post
    So now let's see how much merc really were holding back in p1,2 and 3, the clever money is saying they'll have half a second over everyone else coupled with it being Lewis' favourite track, he normally owns this track
    The clever money wasn't very clever then.

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    Couldn't get the hypersofts to turn on, they didn't want to run them as they know it's their Achilles heel, their race pace was better than anybody's so it'll be an interesting race

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    Quote Originally Posted by StensonRam View Post
    Couldn't get the hypersofts to turn on, they didn't want to run them as they know it's their Achilles heel, their race pace was better than anybody's so it'll be an interesting race
    I'd love to say you were right but that was a Schumacher-era borefest. I'm off to watch the indycars

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    Normally one of the better races but agree yesterday was a bit dull, Lewis with a new engine with the updates wouldn't of qualified 4th and romped home just like finger man did, would of still been a borefest but being a Lewis and merc fan that would of been OK

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    Quote Originally Posted by StensonRam View Post
    Normally one of the better races but agree yesterday was a bit dull, Lewis with a new engine with the updates wouldn't of qualified 4th and romped home just like finger man did, would of still been a borefest but being a Lewis and merc fan that would of been OK
    The only bit of excitement was that the chequered flag got waved a lap early. Could have caused a riot if there had actually been any action in the last two laps and my guess is there was a cover up on blame but hey ho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy_Faber View Post
    Don't get me started on motorsport history, I'll end up as the new R4J

    Jim Clark, Hockenheim during a F2 race. There was a plaque erected in his memory next to the track, but the track at that point of the circuit was abandoned in the 90's so the plaque remains in situ basically in the middle of a forest
    I heard over the radio a segment on his career. Actually he was a farmer first and a race driver 2nd.

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    What an enthralling race................ NOT. 3 best cars do it again. How would Vettel/Hamilton etc fair in a Sauber? They would struggle to get top 10. Vettel won because he didn't have s ingle problem with his car. The rest did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadAmster View Post
    What an enthralling race................ NOT. 3 best cars do it again. How would Vettel/Hamilton etc fair in a Sauber? They would struggle to get top 10. Vettel won because he didn't have s ingle problem with his car. The rest did.
    Its been a constant source of wonder to me that F1 has attracted the audience it has over the years. I'm part of that audience, and many a sunday at 2:30 I've wondered why I wasted the previous two hours. Even now, Formula E, Indycar, the 'Le Mans' series around the world, Formula Renault and many others provide far more excitement, not to mention the two-wheeled racing which I don't watch much but can see the appeal of. I CAN'T really see the appeal of F1 very often, apart from the fact that it IS F1

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadAmster View Post
    What an enthralling race................ NOT. 3 best cars do it again. How would Vettel/Hamilton etc fair in a Sauber? They would struggle to get top 10. Vettel won because he didn't have s ingle problem with his car. The rest did.
    That is why the love affair the British public has with Hamilton washes over me. He is another mardy F1 driver who 'must have the best car' or I'll throw my toys out of the playpen!
    It should be mandatory that the world champion has to drive the slowest car next season, then we'll see how good they are!!
    Don't watch it anymore, much prefer the Soapbox Derby!! Even my youngest son who has Hamilton Mania is absolutely pissed off with it. He has never missed a race in nearly 30 years but put some cartoons on half way through!!
    It's an absolute dirge, I'd prefer to watch Florist win!!

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    This season has been desperately poor, the only excitement has been artificially with the safety car or virtual safety car. It doesn't bode well for the rest of the season.

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    The trouble with F1 is the designers and aerodynamasists are to clever for their own good, they spend millions upon millions designing the most Aero efficient cars possible and give little regard to the car following, in fact they purposely design their Aero package to disrupt the airflow so a competitor cannot get close enough to overtake. The talk of simplifying the Aero may or may not work, the trouble is for the fia is the teams and designers can't unlearn what they already know, it's not like a memory stick where you can just delete something never to be seen again. These people are clever little ****s, they will find another way.

    The recent talk of top surface Aero to be limited in favour of ground effects and active suspension would work as there's less wake generated so doesn't affect the following car a great deal if at all but will probably be a non starter, the fia are mindful of the last time we had ground effect cars, you have to remember when 90% of a cars downforce comes from ground effects then the moment the car bottoms out or gets a tank slapper going and loses all downforce and thus grip then it becomes a manned missile heading towards the scenery very fast, the fia don't want that. So we go round in circles, stick with top surface Aero but simplify it but the designer can't unlearn what they already know or take the plunge and ban top surface Aero in favour of ground effects and hope to God no ones dies

    For the record I'd love to see ground effect cars come back and active suspension

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    Quote Originally Posted by StensonRam View Post
    The trouble with F1 is the designers and aerodynamasists are to clever for their own good, they spend millions upon millions designing the most Aero efficient cars possible and give little regard to the car following, in fact they purposely design their Aero package to disrupt the airflow so a competitor cannot get close enough to overtake. The talk of simplifying the Aero may or may not work, the trouble is for the fia is the teams and designers can't unlearn what they already know, it's not like a memory stick where you can just delete something never to be seen again. These people are clever little ****s, they will find another way.

    The recent talk of top surface Aero to be limited in favour of ground effects and active suspension would work as there's less wake generated so doesn't affect the following car a great deal if at all but will probably be a non starter, the fia are mindful of the last time we had ground effect cars, you have to remember when 90% of a cars downforce comes from ground effects then the moment the car bottoms out or gets a tank slapper going and loses all downforce and thus grip then it becomes a manned missile heading towards the scenery very fast, the fia don't want that. So we go round in circles, stick with top surface Aero but simplify it but the designer can't unlearn what they already know or take the plunge and ban top surface Aero in favour of ground effects and hope to God no ones dies

    For the record I'd love to see ground effect cars come back and active suspension
    Good summary and so would I, they were wild days but so much more 'fun' than now. The Brabham BT52 in particular was an absolute missile, amazing considering its engine was genuinely a road car block, in fact I recall they used to buy mid-mileage BMW 2002s and actually use the blocks from those cars, maybe thats a bit of romance but it was 'common knowledge' back then

    If anyone wonders what the **** Stenson is going on about, check out this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l9BGx3seT8

    which shows the Brabham BT52 (the white car), incompetent driving (both), incompetent fighting (Nelson Piquet) but most importantly the visible evidence of ground effect. Notice the front wing on both cars - There isn't one. As much as possible of the air the car drove through was directed UNDER the car to suck it down not OVER the car to push it down. These cars could run with miniscule front wings too, in fact I think Williams ran at this race with a wing so small and low it was barely visible and was banned during practise.

    Am I getting boring yet?

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    Not yet, I think deep down if your a true f1 fan then the odd boring race is expected, unfortunately the rules have evolved so much one way, down one particular avenue then what we are left with is what you see now, for 2 good races we have one bad one. The fia were blind to it while the engineers got cleverer and cleverer and we've ended up with land going fighter jets.

    To me just as much of the draw to f1 is the engineering side of it, the technology the ideas the work arounds, I want to know what every little winglet does, what does that slot there do, why do you need to direct airflow there and not here, all that being said I would be in favour of less Aero reliance, the trouble is this is f1, the pinnacle of motorsport engineering, you can't start dumbing down the tech just to aid overtaking, the cars are meant to be aerodynamic works of art, it just doesn't suit the car behind that's all

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    Quote Originally Posted by StensonRam View Post
    Not yet, I think deep down if your a true f1 fan then the odd boring race is expected, unfortunately the rules have evolved so much one way, down one particular avenue then what we are left with is what you see now, for 2 good races we have one bad one. The fia were blind to it while the engineers got cleverer and cleverer and we've ended up with land going fighter jets.

    To me just as much of the draw to f1 is the engineering side of it, the technology the ideas the work arounds, I want to know what every little winglet does, what does that slot there do, why do you need to direct airflow there and not here, all that being said I would be in favour of less Aero reliance, the trouble is this is f1, the pinnacle of motorsport engineering, you can't start dumbing down the tech just to aid overtaking, the cars are meant to be aerodynamic works of art, it just doesn't suit the car behind that's all
    I love all the engineering too, in fact the engineering and political intrigue is often more interesting than the races. '82 was a cracker for that, the Brawn year was too.

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