Toshney to Morton?

[ranaldarab]

Would imagine Ray would be looking to take Laurie Ellis with him to Morton?

[TerryTheTerror]

Tonight's Tele is suggesting just that.

[LSArab]

Hope we can keep hold of Laurie. Good to have a bit of continuity in there and he’s been well thought of in time at United

[Chick A Saw]

Hope we can keep hold of Laurie. Good to have a bit of continuity in there and he’s been well thought of in time at United

Not bothered if Ellis stays or not. Considering what the players thought of him before Shabba, he might be part of the reason for the rumoured split in the dressing room last season.

[LSArab]

Not bothered if Ellis stays or not. Considering what the players thought of him before Shabba, he might be part of the reason for the rumoured split in the dressing room last season.

Do you mean as in the players like and respected Ellis as a good coach?

Some interesting logic going on there Chick.

Is the person that people did not respect the one we’d be wanting to keep?!? The one that got good reaction from players is the one we want to punt?!?

Anyway csaba seemed to work with ellis so I’d be thinking he wanted to keep him

[SmedDUm]

Do you mean as in the players like and respected Ellis as a good coach?

Some interesting logic going on there Chick.

Is the person that people did not respect the one we’d be wanting to keep?!? The one that got good reaction from players is the one we want to punt?!?

Anyway csaba seemed to work with ellis so I’d be thinking he wanted to keep him

From what I'm hearing Snaba' can't wait to see the back of Laurie Ellis & the feeling is entirely mutual.
So I think there's every possibility LE will go with Ray & good luck to the both of them in a happier place.

[Chick A Saw]

Do you mean as in the players like and respected Ellis as a good coach?

Some interesting logic going on there Chick.

Is the person that people did not respect the one we’d be wanting to keep?!? The one that got good reaction from players is the one we want to punt?!?

Anyway csaba seemed to work with ellis so I’d be thinking he wanted to keep him

It is obvious that the players worked for Ellis in his 2 games in charge, but for whatever reason he didnt get the job. You then have to look at what happened when the going got tough, and the word is the players downed tools.

If the reason for downing tools was because some didnt like Shabba and stuck together with Ellis, then there was no chance we were gonna get promoted. I think Shabba knew this and we have a few stories that he tried to show the players who they were actually playing for which backfired!

The players and staff i want to keep are the ones that are gonna work and play for Dundee United and us supporters.

[LSArab]

It is obvious that the players worked for Ellis in his 2 games in charge, but for whatever reason he didnt get the job. You then have to look at what happened when the going got tough, and the word is the players downed tools.

If the reason for downing tools was because some didnt like Shabba and stuck together with Ellis, then there was no chance we were gonna get promoted. I think Shabba knew this and we have a few stories that he tried to show the players who they were actually playing for which backfired!

The players and staff i want to keep are the ones that are gonna work and play for Dundee United and us supporters.

The manager I would want to keep is the one who shows some ability.

Irrespective of losing the dressing room what we saw from csaba was poor selection and game management. The games since January when showed nothing to the play offs where his lack of subs until too late and then bringing on Lyng etc.

It’s really odd that the coaching staff, players and supporters all came to lack respect for csaba and his decision making

I am mystified why we are driving away players and coaching staff, and ultimately supporters.

It’s a big call from Mike Martin as to backing csaba in this way. Fair enough It’s his call to make and he will be judged by it.

[TerryTheTerror]

Driving away supporters and season ticket sales being ahead of scheduled doesn't really add up though.

[Chick A Saw]

The manager I would want to keep is the one who shows some ability.

Irrespective of losing the dressing room what we saw from csaba was poor selection and game management. The games since January when showed nothing to the play offs where his lack of subs until too late and then bringing on Lyng etc.

It’s really odd that the coaching staff, players and supporters all came to lack respect for csaba and his decision making

I am mystified why we are driving away players and coaching staff, and ultimately supporters.

It’s a big call from Mike Martin as to backing csaba in this way. Fair enough It’s his call to make and he will be judged by it.

I forgot to mention, excepting Shabbas failings, especially in the play-offs and Dingies.

I dont find it odd if the rumours are true. Shabba comes in and immediately tries to change the holiday camp structure. All is ok for a wee while until the best players are crocked. Falkirk and Morton come along and show the players up for what they are. If you look at Shabba throwing his arms about and some of the things he mentions in interviews, you see the players are not towing the line.

In my working life, if an employee continually does what they like against the managers instructions, then they are out. In football, these privileged individuals get away with it and have the prospect of another pay day elsewhere!

We are not driving players away though. The mercenaries are off to find their next pay cheque, Ellis is still part of the set up until Ray comes calling and the supporters are apparently still buying season tickets.

For myself, despite what happened towards the end of last season, i will give Shabba a chance based on his recruitment and the first 9 games. After that i will more than likely be willing to give the new manager a similar chance and give up all hope in January.