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Thread: O/T - Greatest Ever

  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by JuanShoe View Post
    less physically demanding .
    That's the question isn't it? What's the definition of less physically demanding? If you mean by that not getting kicked to absolute phuck whilst getting zero protection from the referee then I guess you can say it was less physically demanding. As we know though, that was NOT the case in Maradona's era. I would say it was THE most physically demanding era in football history - the 70s and 80s were BRUTAL. I personally think Messi would have been destroyed by the like of Claudio Gentile.Conversely, I reckon Christiano would have fared better in that era.

  2. #22
    That World Cup match the Battle of Santiago in 1962. That was brutal beyond anything that could be imagined now!

    Probably right though that in 80s players were still going out to deliberately break legs and getting away with it.

    Might get away with a few things now but thankfully refs can and do step in

    Likes of Best and Law had to dance round the brutal challenges all match

    Modern era is the best but very different to football 50 years ago

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by JamesMcClean View Post
    That's the question isn't it? What's the definition of less physically demanding? If you mean by that not getting kicked to absolute phuck whilst getting zero protection from the referee then I guess you can say it was less physically demanding. As we know though, that was NOT the case in Maradona's era. I would say it was THE most physically demanding era in football history - the 70s and 80s were BRUTAL. I personally think Messi would have been destroyed by the like of Claudio Gentile.Conversely, I reckon Christiano would have fared better in that era.
    Physically demanding refers to the way the game is played not reffed. Players run faster and for longer. They are physically stronger, fitter and sharper than previous eras. You simply would never get a player of Maradona's physical capabilities succeeding at the highest level anymore.


    Also find it curious as to why you think Messi would struggle (a player who gets up time after time having been kicked and gets on with the game) and Ronaldo (who rolls round the floor and then goes into the cream puff anytime anybody challenges him) would succeed. But as previously said, it is impossible to compare players from different eras with any accuracy.

  4. #24
    The criteria I apply for greatest ever is when you look at a particular player and really examine if they made such an inherent difference that elevated an average team to greatness. I look at Pele and the Brazil team of 1970 and wonder would that team have still won the World Cup without him? Quite possibly. Messi plays in/has played in possibly the greatest Club side in history. Would Barca have still won a lot without him? Quite probably, yes. Messi has benefited massively by playing alongside the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Villa, Suarez, Neymar etc etc.

    However, when it comes to Maradona, look at the sides he played in. Would Napoli have won Serie A titles without him? No. Would Argentina have won the World Cup without him? No. What allowed these teams to achieve greatness? Maradona.

    I am not for one minute saying that Messi is not an incredible football player, of course not. But at this point, sorry, I don't think he comes close to Maradona. Having said that, if Messi carries what looks like a currently average Argie team to the World Cup this year then, yes, things may need to be re-examined.

  5. #25
    For me George Best is the greatest natural talent ever seen. Sadly the demons took over.
    I believe Marco van Basten would have surpassed them all but for injuries.

  6. #26
    Hard to disagree with the the usuals. Eusabio should be mentioned too.

  7. #27
    For me, Zidane. Majestic.

    Original Ronaldo got me at the right time too. 13/14 years old discovering Spanish football. 34 goals in 37 games & seeing a powerhouse control the ball at a sprint like nothing I’ve saw before or since.

  8. #28
    Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi debate results in folk dissing the other and idolising one.

    They are both freaks of nature, the likes of will never be seen again for a long time. Think only Pele from the past comes close. We should just be grateful been able to witness them both over the past decade.

    Prior to them, Brazilian Ronaldo and Zidane were both unreal and won major international honours.

    Messi not winning World Cup will dent his status as best ever should it remain that way.

  9. #29
    No mention of the actually best player there's ever been? Maradona. 🙂 As an aside I wore my Denmark top from Mexico 86 yesterday. Biggest miracle? It still fits. 😂

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by TerryTheTerror View Post
    No mention of the actually best player there's ever been? Maradona. 🙂 As an aside I wore my Denmark top from Mexico 86 yesterday. Biggest miracle? It still fits. 😂
    Apart from all the mentions of him?

  11. #31
    Sorry, I was replying to Razz's post, should have quoted.

  12. #32
    Diego Maradona by a country mile,his two goals v England at Mexico 86 are the best i have ever seen.

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    Denmark game against uruguay i stayed up watched in secret on wee black abd white telly. Think it was on at 2 or 3 AM. Un phucking believable stuff!! One if my fav games of all time

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    Quote Originally Posted by shedboy71 View Post
    Denmark game against uruguay i stayed up watched in secret on wee black abd white telly. Think it was on at 2 or 3 AM. Un phucking believable stuff!! One if my fav games of all time
    I have always wondered about the theme tune for Dads Army,"Who do you think you are kidding Mr Hitler if you think old England's done?."

    Its a FACT that the 51st Highland division fought on in France even playing dead as the German's advanced then opening fire,meanwhile England's finest were already defeated and on Dunkirk's beaches cowering from the Luftwaffe.

  15. #35
    I wonder if the goal of the tournament winner at Argentina 78 is worth a mention?,probably not but even the locals went loco when he waltzed round the Dutch defence to put us into dream land for a few precious minutes.

  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by GUNBOAT View Post
    I have always wondered about the theme tune for Dads Army,"Who do you think you are kidding Mr Hitler if you think old England's done?."

    Its a FACT that the 51st Highland division fought on in France even playing dead as the German's advanced then opening fire,meanwhile England's finest were already defeated and on Dunkirk's beaches cowering from the Luftwaffe.
    Very good fact.

    Definitely Fraser for greatest ever ahead of that hapless Mannering

  17. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by LSArab View Post
    Very good fact.

    Definitely Fraser for greatest ever ahead of that hapless Mannering
    Thanks mate,thought the SHEDBOY had wandered slightly O/T with his Denmark v Uruguay post so i just took it a stage further,sorry James

  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by LSArab View Post
    Very good fact.

    Definitely Fraser for greatest ever ahead of that hapless Mannering
    Unfortunately the miracle of Dunkirk as Churchill called it did not include the 51st Highland Division we had some of the heaviest losses of life in the battle of France and 10,000 POW's were marched to Germany when they finally surrendered.Its only my own opinion but i reckon every single one of them would have voted YES,FACT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GUNBOAT View Post
    Thanks mate,thought the SHEDBOY had wandered slightly O/T with his Denmark v Uruguay post so i just took it a stage further,sorry James

    Aye sorry about that but SRYB anyway lol

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    Actually what is the actual ****ing topic anyway 🤣

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