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Thread: O/T - Greatest Ever

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    O/T - Greatest Ever

    Ok - let's dodge DUFC for now (thank god).

    Who is the greatest ever?

    Pele
    Maradona
    Cruyff
    Beckenbaur
    Sir Bobby Charlton
    Zinedine Zidane

    Your go - who is best? The above is purely ideas. You can name whoever you want,but reasons in writing are required.

    Let it commence,

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    Maradona
    Zidane

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    Lionel Messi is the best footballer to ever walk the planet IMHO.
    And just happens to be a current player.
    Other than that Billy Kirkwood

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    Doesn't matter he's not won world cup, Messi is the greatest ever .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie arab View Post
    Doesn't matter he's not won world cup, Messi is the greatest ever .
    Maradona did it in an era where he got kicked merry hell out of him (Goichechea (sp.) even framed the boots that he wore when he broke Diego's leg WTF?!) , yet despite that he carried Napoli to a Serie A in one of the most brutal eras of Italian football and single handedly took an average Argentinian team to one World Cup and almost took an even worse one to a second four years later. Messi is an outstanding football player - but I don't think he'd have lasted two minutes back then. In the modern era, Maradona now would be untouchable.

    Second on my list is Zidane. Because..................he's simply Zidane.
    Last edited by JamesMcClean; 02-06-2018 at 08:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesMcClean View Post
    Maradona did it in an era where he got kicked merry hell out of him (Goichechea (sp.) even framed the boots that he wore when he broke Diego's leg WTF?!) , yet despite that he carried Napoli to a Serie A in one of the most brutal eras of Italian football and single handedly took an average Argentinian team to one World Cup and almost took an even worse one to a second four years later. Messi is an outstanding football player - but I don't think he'd have lasted two minutes back then. In the modern era, Maradona now would be untouchable.

    Second on my list is Zidane. Because..................he's simply Zidane.
    We'll never know if how Messi would have done then obviously but football now is so different , players are fitter, sharper and more athletic and all coaches try to set up there team to stop Messi, most fail. He also still gets some brutal treatment from guys like Ramos , granted not as bad as maradonna got. Both fantastic players but Messi edges it for me.

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    Maradona
    Pele
    Hard to choose between the two but Maradona edges it for me.

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    Like to also throw in Brazilian Ronaldo, what a player he was, on his game unstoppable.

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    Ever seen - Maradona. A wee genius

    Seen in the flesh - Modric . A wee genius ( won't include Messi in this as it was a friendly v us)

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    At his peak (pre bad knee injuries) the best player I've ever seen is the Brazilian Ronaldo, followed by Messi

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    Its strange that like most debates of this type Ronaldo of now isnt mentioned. Wonder if its because he is such a cock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shedboy71 View Post
    Its strange that like most debates of this type Ronaldo of now isnt mentioned. Wonder if its because he is such a cock?
    When it comes to Christiano, with reference to the All Time Greats List, he certainly regards himself as being in the Top 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shedboy71 View Post
    Its strange that like most debates of this type Ronaldo of now isnt mentioned. Wonder if its because he is such a cock?
    He certainly is, it's all about him . Did you see his pus when Bale scored that wonder goal!!! He looked gutted. He was a great player though and deffo in the best 10 ever but v Liverpool he looked slow and on the wane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesMcClean View Post
    When it comes to Christiano, with reference to the All Time Greats List, he certainly regards himself as being in the Top 1.
    imo Cristiano couldn't lace the boots of the others mentioned above.

    How come Davie Narey's not getting a mention here?


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    If you were to choose any player at their peak then Messi and C Ronaldo would be hard to beat. But Marradona probably was the ultimate in producing in one man teams

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    It's a tricky question when it comes up because since the era of Pele the game has changed so much. It's hard to know whether Pele in a Brazil team would have outshone Maradona in an Argentinian team of the same era. etc
    Messi is the most skilful imo but the greatest overall would have to be the wee fat hand of god columbian marching powder sniffing mental case that is Maradona that left a whole Engerland team trailing in his wake like sleepy donkeys
    Last edited by stokearab; 02-06-2018 at 12:45 PM. Reason: Forgot FTD

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    Quote Originally Posted by stokearab View Post
    that left a whole Engerland team trailing in his wake like sleepy donkeys
    I believe that Peter Reid is still trying to catch up with him.

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    [QUOTE=stokearab;38909337]imo Cristiano couldn't lace the boots of the others mentioned above.

    How come Davie Narey's not getting a mention here?


    Maybe his laces are still tied?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesMcClean View Post
    Maradona did it in an era where he got kicked merry hell out of him (Goichechea (sp.) even framed the boots that he wore when he broke Diego's leg WTF?!) , yet despite that he carried Napoli to a Serie A in one of the most brutal eras of Italian football and single handedly took an average Argentinian team to one World Cup and almost took an even worse one to a second four years later. Messi is an outstanding football player - but I don't think he'd have lasted two minutes back then. In the modern era, Maradona now would be untouchable.

    Second on my list is Zidane. Because..................he's simply Zidane.
    Maradona also played in a era where the game was slower, less physically demanding and it was easier to stand out individually. In terms of who the best is, it is Messi. All sports evolve, especially those which are awash with money, and generally the best player is the exceptional one in the modern era. However, the evolution doesn't always lead to more entertainment. Perhaps the better question would be: who was the most entertaining player of all time.

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    Always going to be impossible to compare players from different eras. A few players not mentioned so far who would likely be on any list of top twenty (well mine anyway):
    George Best
    Garrincha
    Alfredo di Stefano
    Ferenc Puskás
    Jose Andrade (admittedly before my time)

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