Would you sacrifice the naming rights

[ghostrider]

We are playing in the most watched league in the world

Yep, maybe so but we are also playing ALSO-RAN along with 13 other teams, roughly in that so called best league in the world.

A bit of investment in the squad say £70m/£80m

You mean like we did under McClaren?

Get a bit more interest in the club

You mean if we get into Europe?

Invest some more
Sponsors want part of the club and want to pay to be a part of it

Course they do but sponsors also like to go for the elite clubs or the stand out clubs.
Our postcode generally doesn't stand us out as prime material unless we could break the stranglehold of those elites...something that many clubs have and are trying...and sinking for the effort....slowly but surely.

Invest some more
Not spend £50m recoup £80m

Aren't we doing that at times?

We were one of the richest clubs in the world until this regime came in
Didn't get relegated
Tried to win something

We were winning leagues and cups. It's in the past and cannot be used as any yardstick for the NOW.
By all means hope or don't...but pitting one regime against another will bring out the good the bad and the ugly of all of them, for their time and pound for pound ability to effect things.

And ultimately had half the debt this regime has burdened the club with
Interest free or not

This club does not have any real debt that can kill it off. The debt the Hall's had and Shepherd was a club killer.
Two entirely different set ups.

Let's put it into simple terms.
Hall had to sell his shares or risk his personal wealth to flog a dying horse. Shepherd was willing to flog the dying horse with Hall, but not by himself, so sold his shares.
Ashley was the only willing person to take it on and later finding the massive debt for that time.

Now imagine if Ashley done due diligence or simply backed out from the off with Hall.
What would we be doing?

[ghostrider]

As has already been established, Rafa's on 4 mil a year. Please stop making up numbers, it doesn't look good on you.

If you can get a 100% credible source for that 4 million then I'll use it. All I'm doing is speculating on his wage due to varying changes in his wage which I've seen as 5 or 6 million.
Now you say 4, so convince me and I'll use it.

Aston Villa is a fair point. So is Sunderland who had an owner who didn't invest enough.

Was it didn't invest enough of badly invested? A bit like Ashley/Charnley did with McClaren.

In all honesty, the club is in good financial shape and we are in a good position right now to go and spend some decent cash on some good players without that being like risking everything in a game of roulette.

I agree and I think we will but we still have to make sure we don't invest in players that quickly become mercenary with mistakes of wage offerings to entice them and contracts that have no clause in the clubs favour.

North east club, ripe for the sting by players who are overlooked by the clubs they hoped for.

We still have to be careful...Ashley or PCP or TCP or whoever runs this club.
We've made a good start.
A decent keeper.

[tooslomofo]

Where would Man City be now if Ashley had bought them ??

[TheOtherTerryMac]

Annual wage: £4 million.

Record at Newcastle United: 39 wins, 15 draws, and 18 losses (54% win rate).

Honours at Newcastle United: 2016-2017 EFL Championship title.

Source: Chronicle Live.

[AP69]

A multi billionaire that could easily afford the gamble
Hell he could even do the decent thing and do an Ellis Short...

Don't hamstring the club

Let it flourish and enjoy the rewards

Postcode won't come into it If we are going places

Still half the debt under hall and shepherd

As some say only an idiot couldn't see that

[toptoon]

Best thread I´ve read on here in ages.

[ghostrider]

Where would Man City be now if Ashley had bought them ??

Most likely in a similar position to us.

[ghostrider]

A multi billionaire that could easily afford the gamble

With his own personal wealth?
Do you think his personal billions are ready cash or tied up?
He's already gambled with the club by loaning it a fortune.
The club has to run from its own steam to actually be a club and not a plastic effigy of one.

Hell he could even do the decent thing and do an Ellis Short...

Do you mean sell the club for 40 million, payable over 2 years to some owner who simply chit chats a good policy?

Don't hamstring the club

Let someone else do it, eh?
Unless you know any Sheikh's with blank cheque books.

Let it flourish and enjoy the rewards

Letting it flourish is all well and good if you can literally leave it to actually do that. We had the best chance since the 50's under Hall and co and yet it all came crashing down.

Postcode won't come into it If we are going places

Unfortunately the postcode does come into it. The game is not rigged in north east favour.

Still half the debt under hall and shepherd

We have no external debt other than the normal bills all clubs have.
Our debt, if you can call it that, is all in house.
Sell the club and the in house debt to our owner becomes non existent to the buyer.

As some say only an idiot couldn't see that

Idiot or not. It's fairly plain.

[toptoon]

With his own personal wealth?
Do you think his personal billions are ready cash or tied up?
He's already gambled with the club by loaning it a fortune.
The club has to run from its own steam to actually be a club and not a plastic effigy of one.

Do you mean sell the club for 40 million, payable over 2 years to some owner who simply chit chats a good policy?

Let someone else do it, eh?
Unless you know any Sheikh's with blank cheque books.

Letting it flourish is all well and good if you can literally leave it to actually do that. We had the best chance since the 50's under Hall and co and yet it all came crashing down.

Unfortunately the postcode does come into it. The game is not rigged in north east favour.


We have no external debt other than the normal bills all clubs have.
Our debt, if you can call it that, is all in house.
Sell the club and the in house debt to our owner becomes non existent to the buyer.


Idiot or not. It's fairly plain.

As usual the truth and best path lies between the two extremes. There is another choice between spending next to nothing (as Ashley has done in the PL) and risking doing a Leeds.

I don´t think anyone is expecting us to go out and spend 120 million on new players, but to add 4 players to the first team at an average of 15 million each is surely not too much to ask considering the position we are in now. Villa, Mackems and many other clubs are on the defensive, financially, but we could be on the start of an upswing and Ashley is putting the club in danger of not making the most of the momenentum.

Fans are notoriously impatient and it takes, even top managers, time to build a team. I´m prepared to wait but it´s essential that we now show signs of moving forwards with the squad.

[pboromag]

with rafas recent history of signings
would you give him 50 mill

the truth is he has hamstrung us with a crock of ****e thathe brought in the summer

dubarnich the goalie is the only decent recent signingg he has made

the others we wont get our money back on and even rafa wont make them prem players

he needs to cler the decks and quick to get some money

he wasted hndreds of thousnads on the lad from leicester but sent mitro out on loan

sorry but getting rid of carr so quick is costing us

his players genrally made us money
yes we were a stepping stone team

but the same format with a supposed great manager like rafa and we could have seen more returns

ie what could or would have rafa got out of some of the good players carr brought in

he certainly hasbt developed any of his buys