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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by GUNBOAT View Post
    I am sorry to say that a decent number of Arab lottery winner's have blew a fortune by not biting the bullet and paying off Shabba and appointing a manager,only my opinion of course.
    Having put it that way, my money aint left the bank because ST aint getting any of my winnings in the first place!

  2. #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chick A Saw View Post
    Having put it that way, my money aint left the bank because ST aint getting any of my winnings in the first place!
    Ken what you mean mate,i am currently on a beach in Barbados telling the Monkey on the phone that he isnae getting a Barbadian Dollar fae me.

  3. #23
    F##k it, depending how much I'd won, I'd take one for the team and pay to get rid of the fu##er once and for all.

    I want our team back..

    🤞 it could be me...

  4. #24
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    NO

    If I won the lottery I would pay off ST and immediately sack Csaba.

    I would have a smaller squad and pay key players more to ensure they are more inclined to stay.

  5. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_Jam View Post
    NO

    If I won the lottery I would pay off ST and immediately sack Csaba.

    I would have a smaller squad and pay key players more to ensure they are more inclined to stay.
    You'd manage the 2nd part of that if you got 3 numbers 😜

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    I'd punt Laszlo in a heartbeat - clueless on and off the park and nothing will change that.

    MM's statement was basically supporter bait bingo. He (as an arab) understands the reverence we have for Wee Jum and basically used his methodology as a selling point for his reign. There seems to be no consideration given to the fact that the football landscape nowadays means Wee jims methodology is simply an outdated relic which cannot succeed in the modern game.

    United Way FFS - empty words - what is the Utd way? For supporters of my age (32) the "Utd way" for me is the wee purple patch we had where we had good league finishes and gained a reputation for developing, bringing through, and selling on young players whilst getting a few cup wins.

    players must live within 25 miles of Dundee - pish - playing on the Jim Mclean factor and will potentially close off a big portion of the transfer market to us.

    Performance related pay - again - playing on the Jim McLean factor - I sincerely doubt the pay structure is anywhere near weighted enough towards bonuses to effectively emulate that ethos - we are continuing to sign players from our nearest competitors , the only way we can do that is by offering them a guaranteed higher income - if I'm a Dunfermline player based in Glasgow/Edinburgh you are ****ed if you think I'm relocating and taking a lower basic on the hope that we win all the time or I keep hunners of clean sheets / score hunners of goals.

    It's an attempt to gloss over what has happened at the club - we have gone from a top 6 side consistently developing quality youngsters, to a mediocre top flight side who signed journeyman, to a championship side competing with Premiership teams for bottom 6 players and now fully evolved to a Championship side signing mediocre pish from teams who finished around or below us last season.

    If the plan is to form a squad comprising players who failed for us at this level last season, coupled with players who failed at Dunfermline/Ross County/Partick/Dumbarton and somehow turn that into a team who will perform better in a tougher league, under the same incompetent managr, we are truly ****ed.

  7. #27
    With specific reference to the point about using JYM ideas today I'd day the alternative clearly hasn't worked and it's worth a try. I'm not at all convinced by some of the rhetoric but I'm always of the opinion you've got to give things a chance before writing them off.

  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by FTD1983 View Post
    I'd punt Laszlo in a heartbeat - clueless on and off the park and nothing will change that.

    MM's statement was basically supporter bait bingo. He (as an arab) understands the reverence we have for Wee Jum and basically used his methodology as a selling point for his reign. There seems to be no consideration given to the fact that the football landscape nowadays means Wee jims methodology is simply an outdated relic which cannot succeed in the modern game.

    United Way FFS - empty words - what is the Utd way? For supporters of my age (32) the "Utd way" for me is the wee purple patch we had where we had good league finishes and gained a reputation for developing, bringing through, and selling on young players whilst getting a few cup wins.

    players must live within 25 miles of Dundee - pish - playing on the Jim Mclean factor and will potentially close off a big portion of the transfer market to us.

    Performance related pay - again - playing on the Jim McLean factor - I sincerely doubt the pay structure is anywhere near weighted enough towards bonuses to effectively emulate that ethos - we are continuing to sign players from our nearest competitors , the only way we can do that is by offering them a guaranteed higher income - if I'm a Dunfermline player based in Glasgow/Edinburgh you are ****ed if you think I'm relocating and taking a lower basic on the hope that we win all the time or I keep hunners of clean sheets / score hunners of goals.

    It's an attempt to gloss over what has happened at the club - we have gone from a top 6 side consistently developing quality youngsters, to a mediocre top flight side who signed journeyman, to a championship side competing with Premiership teams for bottom 6 players and now fully evolved to a Championship side signing mediocre pish from teams who finished around or below us last season.

    If the plan is to form a squad comprising players who failed for us at this level last season, coupled with players who failed at Dunfermline/Ross County/Partick/Dumbarton and somehow turn that into a team who will perform better in a tougher league, under the same incompetent managr, we are truly ****ed.
    oh ye of little faith, what would your alternative?

  9. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by FTD1983 View Post
    I'd punt Laszlo in a heartbeat - clueless on and off the park and nothing will change that.

    MM's statement was basically supporter bait bingo. He (as an arab) understands the reverence we have for Wee Jum and basically used his methodology as a selling point for his reign. There seems to be no consideration given to the fact that the football landscape nowadays means Wee jims methodology is simply an outdated relic which cannot succeed in the modern game.

    United Way FFS - empty words - what is the Utd way? For supporters of my age (32) the "Utd way" for me is the wee purple patch we had where we had good league finishes and gained a reputation for developing, bringing through, and selling on young players whilst getting a few cup wins.

    players must live within 25 miles of Dundee - pish - playing on the Jim Mclean factor and will potentially close off a big portion of the transfer market to us.

    Performance related pay - again - playing on the Jim McLean factor - I sincerely doubt the pay structure is anywhere near weighted enough towards bonuses to effectively emulate that ethos - we are continuing to sign players from our nearest competitors , the only way we can do that is by offering them a guaranteed higher income - if I'm a Dunfermline player based in Glasgow/Edinburgh you are ****ed if you think I'm relocating and taking a lower basic on the hope that we win all the time or I keep hunners of clean sheets / score hunners of goals.

    It's an attempt to gloss over what has happened at the club - we have gone from a top 6 side consistently developing quality youngsters, to a mediocre top flight side who signed journeyman, to a championship side competing with Premiership teams for bottom 6 players and now fully evolved to a Championship side signing mediocre pish from teams who finished around or below us last season.

    If the plan is to form a squad comprising players who failed for us at this level last season, coupled with players who failed at Dunfermline/Ross County/Partick/Dumbarton and somehow turn that into a team who will perform better in a tougher league, under the same incompetent managr, we are truly ****ed.

    There is nothing like a healthy dose of reality to cheer you up on a Monday!

  10. #30
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    Replace the manager - I can't tell you who with - I'm not employed in the upper levels of football.

    Sign players on realistic terms and, if they have a family outwith the 25 mile radius, but it is realistic to commute, let them. Don't limit the already piss poor pool of players we are fishing in by imposing arbitrary restrictions.

    There is no point imposing Jim McLean style caveats without a Jim McLean style manager to enforce them. Even then, if we did have a Jim McLean style manager with these modern players he'd be bombed out in a heartbeat amidst dressing room revolt. Jim was a legend of his time, I personally don't think he could adapt to the modern dressing room - that's not a criticism of him - horses for courses.

    We should be focussing on identifying the best players available, giving them the best packages we can afford to depending on their role/importance to the first XI and getting them into the club in time for a good pre-season under a competent manager.

    We certainly should not be identifying players to improve the squad, spending time analysing them, deciding to approach them then finding out they can't/won't relocate - it's a massive waste of time and in fact is so ridiculous I am utterly convinced it is just a sound bite with no substance behind it. There is no way for example Nicky Clark has taken a basic salary pay cut with performance incentives to move away from an improved offer at Dunfermline - it's not realistic, unless our "reduced basic salary" is still so high compared to other clubs that we are essentially matching their best offer.

    The same applies to the wage structure comment - there is no danger we are offering a very low basic with very high bonuses and successfully recruiting players who have other offers elsewhere.

    How many of you would take a significant salary cut to move to a job where you could potentially earn more based on performance?

    It's a gamble I wouldn't be willing to take with a mortgage and family.

  11. #31
    As regards 'living locally', I doubt that this is a condition that could be contractually enforced. But it is something that can be encouraged.

    However, when it comes to remuneration, we ARE in a position to dictate what the basic and bonus structure will be. I want players out there that are collectively and individually driving themelves to do their level best for Dundee United. If that sort of mentality can be encouaged by the implementation of a club-wide success-oriented remuneration structure, then I'm all for that.

  12. #32
    Depends who else would be available for the job. Think if we were to get rid of him would have been best to do so before the play offs. It was a surprising decision to keep him but hopefully his new signings will work out and the new rules for players living close to Dundee and wage structure will boost performance and attitude.

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