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    Quote Originally Posted by InversneckieDob View Post
    I'm saying Lineker does not appear to have enjoyed the same treatment as other BBC wage earners.
    But that’s not true the current chairman can’t be held responsible for others failing to uphold their own policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InversneckieDob View Post
    Its weird how certain people find pejorative connotations in the most innocuous of words.
    "Humanitarian" and "social justice" are two that immediately spring to mind.
    Absolutely !! Humanitarianism and social justice is the bedrock and conscience of the caring decent wurld, Pejorative folk tend to be the "I'm alright Jack fvck you lot kinda people. IMO who does not believe in Humanitarism is a pure cvnt. Off for mair wine now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basingstokered View Post
    Yeah the UK is now like Germany in the 30’s behave.
    Signs are all there Pal. Fascism crept up in Germany and nobody really noticed Fascism comes in many forms and its usually the vulnerable and weak who are scapegoated. Look what's happening in the USA re Women's rights... abortion is now banned in many states the main drivers of this is the Religious Right wing another sub movement of fascism.

    I'll give you a few examples.

    In 1930s Germany peaceful protest was banned. In the UK peaceful protest will be a Crime. (police bill 2023)

    Tories proposing electoral reform ID required Tories to take control of Electoral commission .. 1930 Germany Fair elections ended. (Election Bill )

    UK a bill to strip citizenship who they want. (National and Borders bill) Many were removed from Germany in the 1930s

    Human rights act to be removed (Brexit bill)

    All these things were were upfront in Germany in the 1930s but it started with blaming all of societies problems on minorities refugees and immigrants ... That how Fascism started in1930s Germany.... Ring any bells ? it phucking should !!!
    Last edited by stewarty27; 12-03-2023 at 12:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stewarty27 View Post
    Signs are all there Pal. Fascism crept up in Germany and nobody really noticed Fascism comes in many forms and its usually the vulnerable and weak who are scapegoated. Look what's happening in the USA re Women's rights... abortion is now banned in many states the main drivers of this is the Religious Right wing another sub movement of fascism.

    I'll give you a few examples.

    In 1930s Germany peaceful protest was banned. In the UK peaceful protest will be a Crime. (police bill 2023)

    Tories proposing electoral reform ID required Tories to take control of Electoral commission .. 1930 Germany Fair elections ended. (Election Bill )

    UK a bill to strip citizenship who they want. (National and Borders bill)

    Human rights act to be removed (Brexit bill)

    All these things were were upfront in Germany in the 1930s but it started with blaming all of societies problems on minorities refugees and immigrants ... That how Fascism started in1930s Germany.... Ring any bells ? it phucking should !!!
    Where to start with the above nonsense. Can you point to where the UK have striped anyone of their citizenship who haven’t been linked to supporting terrorism?

    Proposing ID to vote how dare you have to produce ID to vote.

    Show where in the crime bill peacful protest has been deemed a crime.

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    Voting without ID sounds a weird idea.

    Apart from that, I've been looking at the similarities between the rise of the Nazis and Brexit England for some time.
    Some of the similarities are uncanny.

    Now, will Boris manage a comeback or has that been avoided?

    A lot could hang on that outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basingstokered View Post
    But that’s not true the current chairman can’t be held responsible for others failing to uphold their own policy.
    Jaysus......🤣🤣🤣

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basingstokered View Post
    Where to start with the above nonsense. Can you point to where the UK have striped anyone of their citizenship who haven’t been linked to supporting terrorism?

    Proposing ID to vote how dare you have to produce ID to vote.

    Show where in the crime bill peacful protest has been deemed a crime.
    On stripping of citizenship. It started in 2006, for the first time since 1973. 474 cases between 2006 and 2020, with most being for fraud. Been a lot more since 2020, so no idea why the need to make it easier.

    Just over 500 cases of fraud reported over all UK elections for the year 2019.
    Of all these cases investigated by the Police, only 4 were deemed to have been fraudulent.

    No idea why the sudden need for ID.

    Police have plenty of powers to stop protest.

    No idea why they need to give police more powers.

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    Will Hutton nails it in today’s Observer (no link available yet).

    It’s not often I learn a new word, but his use of “satrapy” had me scuttling for the dictionary.

    His final two paragraph peroration middles it to cover point:

    “The arguments over whether Lineker’s contract as a freelance sports commentator allows him to express his views or not are specious. The contract does. Over the years, a string of presenters of varying political colours have been permitted to share their thoughts on social media without sanction, while simultaneously observing impartiality in BBC studios. In a world of social media it’s the only way to operate, otherwise the pool of talent prepared to work for the channel will shrink alarmingly – thus Alan Sugar and Andrew Neil have worked both as BBC presenters and social media partisans, and Lineker was acting within the same framework. But whatever the rules, when policy gets this extreme, menacing who we are and the values we live by, unexpected people stand up to be counted. In this case, Lineker was the man. The BBC found itself in a position where it was damned if it acted and damned if it did not. The stronger position would have been to protect itself and thus Lineker; by “sticking to its guns” over impartiality being applied to a presenter who leans left, but not having acted on those who lean right, the charge of double standards has become impossible to rebut. Before our eyes a treasured public institution paid for by all licence fee payers has become a satrapy of the right.

    The furore has transformed the terms of the debate. Labour had confined itself to criticising the policy only in terms of its workability. Now it cannot allow only Gary Lineker to speak out about the rotten values that have driven it, as the numbers declaring their support for him grow. This is transmuting into a popular progressive moment as the integrity of public service broadcasting is defended alongside Lineker’s stance on asylum seeking. Britain is not the rightwing country the right imagines. It is a fairer, much more decent place. Congratulations to the Match of the Day presentation team who showed us who we are – the best game any of them have played.”
    Last edited by 57vintage; 12-03-2023 at 08:22 AM.

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    In pronunciation, I'd have added a "c"

    But seeing it written down, (satrapcy) it doesn't look right.

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    It was defined as “the province or jurisdiction of a satrap”.

    Now I understand what The Boomtown Rats’ first chart-topper was about.

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