Government rejects Tidal Power scheme

[1959_60]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-...wales-44589083

This decision absolutely guarantees that I will NEVER vote Tory under any circumstance in the future.

Absolute madness.

[Supersub6]

SO the price went up by 50% in the space of 4 years which they think is not viable.
This is the sort of project where money could well have been available from the EU because it ticks a lot of boxes as far as they are concerned, however, with us coming out of the EU there is no way that we can consider any help.

As it says, because of the furore over the costing of Hinckley Point and the price per unit agreed they would not commit to a similar price per unit and thought that the estimate was wrong anyway.

Perhaps it is not madness after all.

[1959_60]

Hinckley "C" is a 35 year scheme with a strike price of £92.50 per megawatt hour.

This tidal lagoon scheme was a 90 year agreement at £89.90 per megawatt hour.

There is still the ongoing problem of what to do with nuclear waste. And tidal power is not a catastrophe waiting to happen.

It appears that there has been some SERIOUS lobbying by the nuclear industry.

It really is a no brainer for a country like ours which is surrounded by some of the highest tides in the world.

I live on Morecambe Bay.

In one tide event (there are two per day), there is much water entering and leaving the bay as passes over Niagra Falls in 30 days.

It would take a bath tap 20 million years to fill Morecambe Bay.

Theresa knows best...

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Theresa needs to borrow Melanie's coat and tell us the truth. She really does not care.

[oldcolner]

Theresa needs to borrow Melanie's coat and tell us the truth. She really does not care.

Don’t let the facts get in the way of debate,

From the Ministers statement

The proposal for the Swansea tidal lagoon would cost £1.3 billion to build. If successful to its maximum ambition, it would provide around 0.15% of the electricity we use each year.

The same power generated by the lagoon, over 60 years, for £1.3 billion, would cost around £400 million for offshore wind even at today’s prices, which have fallen rapidly, and we expect to be cheaper still in future.

At £1.3 billion, the capital cost per unit of electricity generated each year would be 3 times that of the Hinkley Point C nuclear power station.

If a full programme of 6 lagoons were constructed, the Hendry Review found that the cost would be more than £50 billion, and be 2 and a half times the cost of Hinkley to generate a similar output of electricity.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...y-tidal-lagoon


Enough offshore wind to provide the same generation as a programme of lagoons is estimated to cost at least £31.5 billion less to build.

Taking all the costs together, I have been advised by analysts that, by 2050, the proposal that has been made – which would generate around 30 TWh per year of electricity - could cost up to £20 billion more to produce compared to generating that same electricity through a mix of offshore wind and nuclear, once financing, operating, and system costs have been taken into account.

That could cost the average British household consumer up to an additional £700 between 2031 and 2050, or the equivalent of £15,000 for every household in Wales.

The fact that this proposal has not demonstrated that it could be value for money does not mean that its potential is not recognised.

My department is also in receipt of proposals from other promoters of tidal energy schemes which are said to have lower costs than the Swansea proposal, although these are an earlier stage of development.

Any proposals must be able credibly to demonstrate value for money for consumers and public funds.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Nuclear as opposed to natural is the debate OC, not plagiarising gobbledegook from government propaganda sites.

The kick backs and brown envelopes have already been gratefully received for Hinkley, which by a rough estimate is already four times over budget. Green energy never stood a chance.

[1959_60]

https://www.greenmatch.co.uk/blog/20...ergy-in-the-uk

This is a technology that we are pretty good on, but we will soon be overtaken by other countries. The only thing lacking is Government backing.

We are badly missing our green energy target at the moment and I don't think this Tory Government is in the least bit arsed about it.

Dr Alan Owen from Robert Gordon University Aberdeen said:
“The UK does not have the committed long-term buy-in from government. My belief is that renewables are still seen as 'left-wing" by the political class.The flip-flopping over FIT's and other support does not help investors, and Daily Mail campaigns over renewables subsidies (whilst ignoring the subsidies to oil and gas) creates a distorted picture in the public mind, alongside a failure to recognise the importance of energy security”.

And he concluded by stating: “The UK has more resources than it needs but lacks the political will to use them”

[sinkov]

A typical biased BBC report, as OC points out, there are many and varied objections to this scheme, but the BBC does not mention even one. This is from one report on the scheme when it re-surfaced a couple of years ago, having been put on hold.

"For the same £1 billion, the newish gas-fired power station at Pembroke down the coast can generate nearly 40 times as much power without a penny of subsidy."

But of course, the dreaded word 'gas' and any mention of cheap energy from fracking will never see the light of day on the BBC.

For once this hapless government has got something right, and these lunatic, horrendously expensive plans have been chucked into the waste bin, where they belong.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Fracking is responsible for a quadruple increased threat to global warming but along with the greedy MNC's and corrupt politicians don't let facts get in the way of your adherence to neoliberalism sinkov.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

A typical biased BBC report, as OC points out, there are many and varied objections to this scheme, but the BBC does not mention even one. This is from one report on the scheme when it re-surfaced a couple of years ago, having been put on hold.

"For the same £1 billion, the newish gas-fired power station at Pembroke down the coast can generate nearly 40 times as much power without a penny of subsidy."

But of course, the dreaded word 'gas' and any mention of cheap energy from fracking will never see the light of day on the BBC.

For once this hapless government has got something right, and these lunatic, horrendously expensive plans have been chucked into the waste bin, where they belong.

Frack right off...https://thinkprogress.org/bombshell-...ign=tp-letters