Pigford

[Kingstonbob1]

As soon as he’s tested he has started creaking. Got a right going over by the pundits on ITV.

[Zippity]

Massively overrated

[Geordie1974]

Prefer Butland myself over Pickford.

[Zippity]

And nowt to do with his background, either.

I just don't think he's as good as folk think.

[Kingstonbob1]

Pushing the ball out into the box on numerous occasions and how the hell did that ball squirm under him in the first half. He’s got three arms and 53 fingers FFS!

[ghostrider]

The lad is thrown into a world cup with expectation on his shoulders like a Eddie Hall barbel.
He needed this test and it could do him the world of good.
Even the criticism by fans and pundits is fine. I'm sure he'll take it onboard.

Is he the best keeper for the job?
Hard to tell...but he's been picked as number 1 and we are through to the last 16 and could afford to lose to Belgium by one goal.
No biggie and it could be a blessing in disguise.

Wanting Butland in or saying he's a better keeper, is neither here nor there. Pickford has been chosen and he's done ok. We have to trust what Southgate puts out and how he plays the odds, like the Belgium game with his changes.
Anyone can argue that he should have put his full strength side out but if key players got injured and we went out to Colombia because of it...England and Southgate will be crucified.
Just as Southgate would be if he chose Butland to play against Colombia and he made an error that knocked us out....what would it be?


Ahhhh Southgate's a chump for leaving out Pickford.

It's a catch 22 situation with fans and pundits. We can all see the problems before there are problems. Let's just enjoy the last 16 and see where it takes us.
And for those who hate Pickford just because he played for Sunderland and had a go at everton....just remember to leave that out of your England support because it'll just eat you up with bitterness. Get behind the lad and wish him every success, like the rest of the squad and manager/coaches, etc.

[TheOtherTerryMac]

The lad is thrown into a world cup with expectation on his shoulders like a Eddie Hall barbel.
He needed this test and it could do him the world of good.
Even the criticism by fans and pundits is fine. I'm sure he'll take it onboard.

Is he the best keeper for the job?
Hard to tell...but he's been picked as number 1 and we are through to the last 16 and could afford to lose to Belgium by one goal.
No biggie and it could be a blessing in disguise.

Wanting Butland in or saying he's a better keeper, is neither here nor there. Pickford has been chosen and he's done ok. We have to trust what Southgate puts out and how he plays the odds, like the Belgium game with his changes.
Anyone can argue that he should have put his full strength side out but if key players got injured and we went out to Colombia because of it...England and Southgate will be crucified.
Just as Southgate would be if he chose Butland to play against Colombia and he made an error that knocked us out....what would it be?


Ahhhh Southgate's a chump for leaving out Pickford.

It's a catch 22 situation with fans and pundits. We can all see the problems before there are problems. Let's just enjoy the last 16 and see where it takes us.
And for those who hate Pickford just because he played for Sunderland and had a go at everton....just remember to leave that out of your England support because it'll just eat you up with bitterness. Get behind the lad and wish him every success, like the rest of the squad and manager/coaches, etc.

I think Pickford is a decent keeper and Southgate should stick with him. The same as our young keeper Woodman I would make him our number two

One thing that really gets me with all modern keepers is why it is coached into them to punch a long range shot straight back to oncoming forwards. Not many keepers now can actually dive and catch a shot cleanly.

I played decent level of football as a keeper and if I continually punched shots back into play I wouldn’t be playing next game.

You never saw Banks or Shilton do this

[Kingstonbob1]

The lad is thrown into a world cup with expectation on his shoulders like a Eddie Hall barbel.
He needed this test and it could do him the world of good.
Even the criticism by fans and pundits is fine. I'm sure he'll take it onboard.

Is he the best keeper for the job?
Hard to tell...but he's been picked as number 1 and we are through to the last 16 and could afford to lose to Belgium by one goal.
No biggie and it could be a blessing in disguise.

Wanting Butland in or saying he's a better keeper, is neither here nor there. Pickford has been chosen and he's done ok. We have to trust what Southgate puts out and how he plays the odds, like the Belgium game with his changes.
Anyone can argue that he should have put his full strength side out but if key players got injured and we went out to Colombia because of it...England and Southgate will be crucified.
Just as Southgate would be if he chose Butland to play against Colombia and he made an error that knocked us out....what would it be?


Ahhhh Southgate's a chump for leaving out Pickford.

It's a catch 22 situation with fans and pundits. We can all see the problems before there are problems. Let's just enjoy the last 16 and see where it takes us.
And for those who hate Pickford just because he played for Sunderland and had a go at everton....just remember to leave that out of your England support because it'll just eat you up with bitterness. Get behind the lad and wish him every success, like the rest of the squad and manager/coaches, etc.

I suppose that last paragraph is levelled at me. Aye he is a mackem so I’m going to take the p1ss. I don’t think he’s that good tbh, not because he’s a mackem, but because of his performances. I think he’s a bit of a flapper. He keeps pushing the ball into the danger zone, even my 13 year old son was asking why he was doing it. I think Butland is better and is more of a presence. Personally I think he should have saved the pen v Tunisia and last nights goal. Maybe for the next WC but not this one.

Just so you are aware I couldn’t give a stuff if Engerland win the WC or not.

[ghostrider]

I think Pickford is a decent keeper and Southgate should stick with him. The same as our young keeper Woodman I would make him our number two

One thing that really gets me with all modern keepers is why it is coached into them to punch a long range shot straight back to oncoming forwards. Not many keepers now can actually dive and catch a shot cleanly.

I played decent level of football as a keeper and if I continually punched shots back into play I wouldn’t be playing next game.

You never saw Banks or Shilton do this

I agree. My biggest niggle with Pickford is action man like mindset on wanting to go into stuntman punching mode.
This is where Butland is more dept at taking the ball...but...Pickford's the choice and he should be stuck with.

[ghostrider]

I suppose that last paragraph is levelled at me.

Absolutely.

Aye he is a mackem so I’m going to take the p1ss.

Fair enough.

I don’t think he’s that good tbh, not because he’s a mackem, but because of his performances.

Clearly he is a good keeper. Clearly he's a top young keeper.

I think he’s a bit of a flapper. He keeps pushing the ball into the danger zone, even my 13 year old son was asking why he was doing it.

Flapper?..Maybe a bit world cup jittery which isn't a bad thing and can be the making of him as number 1.

I think Butland is better and is more of a presence.

Better?....Maybe, but Pickford is number 1. More of a presence?....maybe but more of a presence does not guarantee anything unless you use that presence effectively....but fair enough if that's your opinion.

Personally I think he should have saved the pen v Tunisia and last nights goal.

I suppose we could say that about any amount of goals that we think keepers could/should have saved. I thought he did his best and it wasn't good enough to save. I certainly didn't think he was at error.

Maybe for the next WC but not this one.

That remains to be seen because as it stands he's at this world cup and we are in the last 16 with him in goal, so maybe this world cup, eh?

Just so you are aware I couldn’t give a stuff if Engerland win the WC or not.

That's entirely up to you. I'm personally buoyed by the set up by a long way compared to what I was like under other managers.
The best England set up we've had in a long long time and a manager that's growing on me.
But...if you're not an England fan then obviously you won't care.

Just out of interest, who do you support?..Jamaica?