OT: Old Mrs. May's fudge shoppe

[Mapperleypie]

Does it matter whether the rules affect you personally, or to your Country?

Did millions of Brits fight two World wars because they were personally worried that the Gerries were going to invade their garden allotment?.....or were they doing it to protect their country and way of life.

The EU advocate "free movement of people" as one of their core beliefs....whether or not a group of Roma Gypsies is likely to invade Meadow Lane is neither here nor there....the EU say they have a right to wander between countries and a substantial %age of the electorate have said NO.

I also remember that nutter Hamza Hook guy taking us to the EU Courts for years, wasting British taxpayers money whilst claiming "Hooman Rights".....pity he never thought about the rights of the people he personally killed and the thousands that died as a result of his insane ramblings.

You cannot equate the vote of leaving the EU in the same category as world wars 1 and 2. Millions of people lost their lives as the country went to war as the island was under potential physical threat & blokes were conscripted.

If Roma gypsies entered the UK then under EU law if they didn't have employment within 3 months we could kick them out.

Hamza was a nutter but the rule of law prevailed with the EU court coming to the same conclusion as the UK courts.

If it is so clear cut as to why being in the EU is such a bad thing we would have numerous tangible personal examples of how people have been negatively affected by EU law - I would like to hear one.

[tarquinbeech]

I've said that all along.

If Brexit is such a wonderful thing, surely after the deal is done, and all the Remainers see the light as to how good it is, a vote on te final deal will be an overwhelming 'accept'. So why are the Brexiters against it?

And for all those who use phrases like 'Remoaners', 'Cry Babies' etc., who was it who said "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."

Farage - in other words, anything less than a 2/3 majority and we won't accept it.

.....because, as a matter of principle, the referendum result was binding ie we leave.....otherwise, any referendum in the future will be largely ignored if the government do not like the outcome....the electorate will start to distrust the politicians and Democracy will be undermined.

I am not saying that there shouldn't be a new referendum in the future, say 5 years from now, if conditions worsen or the EU invite us back in under new terms but this smacks of the SNP where they lose the Indy vote then Krankie whines on and on for years until she gets a new vote.

The other counter-argument is where was the 2nd referendum on entering the Common Market in 1975?......we only got one vote, which went the way of the pro-Europeans....and it took us 41 years to get a 2nd refendum!!......the Remoaners want a 2nd one before we've even left, which sounds a tad unfair

[tarquinbeech]

You cannot equate the vote of leaving the EU in the same category as world wars 1 and 2. Millions of people lost their lives as the country went to war as the island was under potential physical threat & blokes were conscripted.

If Roma gypsies entered the UK then under EU law if they didn't have employment within 3 months we could kick them out.

Hamza was a nutter but the rule of law prevailed with the EU court coming to the same conclusion as the UK courts.

If it is so clear cut as to why being in the EU is such a bad thing we would have numerous tangible personal examples of how people have been negatively affected by EU law - I would like to hear one.

My point is that these things are a matter of personal ideology and beliefs.....how many people voting Labour at the last election, truly believe that their lives will alter?.....Labour might spend more on hospitals or schools or benefits, how does that help anyone on here and what about the rising government debt that someday, someone has to pay for? Most of the changes will go un-noticed but people still scream left or right...look at this forum!

The EU has grown rapidly and exponentially from the 7 or 8 members in 1975 who wanted a Common Market....depending on which argument you believe (are EU directives really laws?) between 18% and 62% of our laws, rules and regulations are made in Brussels, and even Tony Benn, before his death said "this is madness" for a country to hand over it's proud sovereignty to an un-elected foreign body....there are-were talks of an EU army and Turkey joining ie another 80 million Muslims wandering around Europe....IMO, it's madness and it's better that we are out.

[Airborn Pie]

My point is that these things are a matter of personal ideology and beliefs.....how many people voting Labour at the last election, truly believe that their lives will alter?.....Labour might spend more on hospitals or schools or benefits, how does that help anyone on here and what about the rising government debt that someday, someone has to pay for? Most of the changes will go un-noticed but people still scream left or right...look at this forum!

The EU has grown rapidly and exponentially from the 7 or 8 members in 1975 who wanted a Common Market....depending on which argument you believe (are EU directives really laws?) between 18% and 62% of our laws, rules and regulations are made in Brussels, and even Tony Benn, before his death said "this is madness" for a country to hand over it's proud sovereignty to an un-elected foreign body....there are-were talks of an EU army and Turkey joining ie another 80 million Muslims wandering around Europe....IMO, it's madness and it's better that we are out.

Yes they are, they have what is called 'direct applicability' but a state can apply for 'derogation' that is a delay in it's implementation.

This is the case law we used when I was at law school.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_(Fac..._for_Transport

[Mapperleypie]

My point is that these things are a matter of personal ideology and beliefs.....how many people voting Labour at the last election, truly believe that their lives will alter?.....Labour might spend more on hospitals or schools or benefits, how does that help anyone on here and what about the rising government debt that someday, someone has to pay for? Most of the changes will go un-noticed but people still scream left or right...look at this forum!

The EU has grown rapidly and exponentially from the 7 or 8 members in 1975 who wanted a Common Market....depending on which argument you believe (are EU directives really laws?) between 18% and 62% of our laws, rules and regulations are made in Brussels, and even Tony Benn, before his death said "this is madness" for a country to hand over it's proud sovereignty to an un-elected foreign body....there are-were talks of an EU army and Turkey joining ie another 80 million Muslims wandering around Europe....IMO, it's madness and it's better that we are out.

I can give you numerous example of where particular changes to tax laws have made my own life easier or more difficult over the last 10 years from successive governments be it Labour or Conservative - it would be quite tedious to most on here but I could give specific examples.

Likewise I can see many everyday transactions and day-to-day activities that both me and my clients enter into that are made significantly easier by being part of such a large free trading zone.

The Turkey point remains a complete red-herring/scare tactic. They could not join the EU without unanimous approval - that would mean our own government approving this otherwise it could not happen - the same for every other country that has joined the EU whilst we have been members.

My question remains unanswered. What EU laws in particular have negatively encroached upon your life?

[tarquinbeech]

Yes they are, they have what is called 'direct applicability' but a state can apply for 'derogation' that is a delay in it's implementation.

Apparently, if you stack up all the EU laws and directives in paper form....they reach the top of Nelson's column....no idea if that is a myth but apparently major companies have legal teams trying to decipher the latest wave of directives, no idea about smaller companies, I guess they just wait for a slap on the wrist.

[Trickytreesreds]

I think you misunderstood the question, it had nothing to do with Farage or Clegg. It was quite simple - What EU laws in particular have negatively encroached upon your life?

You want one for me personally?

Ok, I'm partial to a bit of sea angling.
Last year I was limited to one sea bass a session.
This year, none.

Of course, the European fleet is still netting the seas dry around our coast. But a little angler has to help preserve stocks.
Those poor trawler men, are limited to 5 tonnes per boat.
**** your EU.

[tarquinbeech]

My question remains unanswered. What EU laws in particular have negatively encroached upon your life?

I think you were asking Tricky, I live in Mexico, 5 years now, and previously USA for 3 years.....I personally left the UK for a number of reasons, better opportunities elsewhere, increasing immigration from "undesirable" countries, dilution of the British way of life, increasing crime, increasing surveillance, a lop-sided tax system that robbed those that had initiative and "fed" the needy on their mobility scooters, speed cameras everywhere that were merely tax-raising systems, couldn't even put a plug socket in my house extension without an electrical certificate, couldn't put a new cooker in my canal boat without a gas certificate, annual certificates in my buy-to-lets, inspections by the council to check "light entitlement", communal areas etc, fines for a smokey chimney in my pub, fines for music too loud in another, fines for serving an under-age police stooge alcohol(three times, the last set-up he was 6 foot 2 inches and 240 lbs) being closed down for a day because my camera recorder was faulty, the council ramping up their charges every year (my 10 acres here, 16 bedrooms and 2 swimming pools costs £20 month) gas and electric prices going through the roof, pulling my last son out of public schooling because the school in Long Eaton was starting to resemble market day in Mogadishu.....I could rant on for hours....a license to watch a tv, wtf? my Mexican friends think that is hilarious when I tell them at the cock-fighting palenque, a dog license?, certain dogs with muzzles?....car tax, car insurance and an MOT?....hahahaha, nope, not even a license here, it's called freedom.....you guys seem happy to live in a police state that has an even bigger police state above it.....no thanks.

Anyway, back to the question....no idea how many of these are down to the EU.....but the UK of 2012 (the last time I was there for any length of time) in no way resembles the UK of 1975....I would suggest Immigration is the biggest one forced on the UK by the EU, increasing prices and taxes to pay for Socialist programs that conform to EU laws, interpreters in schools, your rates bill in 5 languages...... and increasing legislation and fines to bring us into line with Europe.....take your pick.

[BigFatPie]

I quite like not incurring hefty roaming charges when abroad. I quite like the Working Time Directive or the alternative of opting out if it doesn’t suit. I quite liked the prospect of my son or daughter being able to work visa free across 28 countries.

Like Mapperleypie, I would like to know the EU laws that have negatively affected people. They must be really bad if we’re risking food and medicine shortages to get rid of em.

[tarquinbeech]

I quite like not incurring hefty roaming charges when abroad. I quite like the Working Time Directive or the alternative of opting out if it doesn’t suit. I quite liked the prospect of my son or daughter being able to work visa free across 28 countries.

Like Mapperleypie, I would like to know the EU laws that have negatively affected people. They must be really bad if we’re risking food and medicine shortages to get rid of em.

Having seen the UK national obesity figures, it might save a few lives in the future if "Brits" went on an enforced diet.....it would also save the NHS a fortune treating the fat ****ers!