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Thread: D Day for Brexit

  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersub6 View Post
    One against twenty seven ---why should they offer anything to anyone jumping ship?
    Did anyone ever have a word with those in Greenland who were responsible for them leaving the EU --they may have had a few tips! The mess continues and once we get past Beecher's Brook we will have to see who is in The Chair!

    I thought they didn’t want a hard Brexit super. They keep saying that at least, and stand to lose a lot of money. Anyway it takes two to Tango, but just now they choose and play the music but wont dance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1959_60 View Post
    I strongly disagree with the idea that 95% of politicians have no principles and the other 5% are suspect.

    I have met plenty of principled, decent MP's in my time - and those were just Lib Dems. I am certain that Tory/Labour are the same.

    I have found that generally they are just ordinary people who want to make a difference.

    Plenty of examples of unprincipled arseholes in Parliament though, and Boris is certainly one.
    Yes,the only problem is that the ones who actually want to make a difference never rise to the top.....

  3. #83
    Evening CIB. I get your general point but there are a few.

    One point is that if people simply wanted to make a career in politics then they wouldn't join the Lib Dems.

    Charles Kennedy, Ming Campbell, Tim Farron, Vince Cable and, although no one on here will agree with me, Nick Clegg are all people who went into politics to improve the peoples lot - not for power or personal gratification. I have met them all, apart from Charlie, and their normalness shone through.

    I am certain that there are principled people in the other parties too, but I have never actually met any so we can only judge them from afar and in an unnatural way - usually the telly.

  4. #84
    Kennedy was a sad, sad alcoholic, Clegg an unprincipled charlatan, Farron totally useless with the backbone of an amoeba and Cable is so confused he forgets to tie his shoelaces, but please go on. Ming Campbell? You are joking, right?

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by 1959_60 View Post

    Charles Kennedy, Ming Campbell, Tim Farron, Vince Cable and, although no one on here will agree with me, Nick Clegg are all people who went into politics to improve the peoples lot
    I'll add a few names to your list 59/60,

    Cyril Smith, kiddy fiddler extraordinaire, protected by the Establishment.
    Jeremy Thorpe, laughably found 'not guilty' of conspiracy to murder, another one kept out of jail by the Establishment.
    Chris Huhne, sentenced to 8 months at her majesty's pleasure for perverting the course of justice,.
    David Laws, expenses cheat, had to resign from the Cabinet.
    Sir Menzies Campbell and Lembit Opek two more prominent LibDems fingered for cheating on expenses.
    In addition the LibDems were fined 18,000 for breaching campaign spending rules during the Brexit referendum.
    In December 2016 the LibDems were fined the maximum of 20,000 by the Electoral Commision for failing to declare 307 payments totalling 184,676 during the election campaign.


    Will that do to be going on with ?

  6. #86
    Wow, you have been busy tonight!

    Tomorrow I'll tear up my membership card and join UKIP.

  7. #87
    Two more resign but the EU rally to support Theresa
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44785797

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel, the prime minister said her plan would allow for a "smooth and orderly Brexit", protecting jobs and livelihoods.
    Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar, who has insisted any Brexit deal must guarantee there is no "hard border" on the island of Ireland, has suggested the Chequers agreement might represent a breakthrough.
    "If the UK is able to relax some of its red lines, then the European Union should be flexible too," he told the Irish Parliament. "I think perhaps we are now entering into that space."
    German Chancellor Angela Merkel, speaking at a summit for the Western Balkans in London, said it was good that the UK had put proposals on the table and the EU would issue a "common response" in due course.
    "We have made progress," she told reporters.
    And the EU's negotiator Michel Barnier said 80% of the detail of the UK's withdrawal had been settled and he was now prepared to start talking about a "very ambitious" trade agreement with the UK.

    So it must be a bad deal!
    Last edited by oldcolner; 10-07-2018 at 10:41 PM.

  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by 1959_60 View Post
    Wow, you have been busy tonight!

    Tomorrow I'll tear up my membership card and join UKIP.
    You know how to chose them 59.

  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by 1959_60 View Post
    Wow, you have been busy tonight!

    Tomorrow I'll tear up my membership card and join UKIP.
    Principles.

  10. #90
    We are really going nowhere with this are we. Theresa May could be gone before much longer and I am reading chilling reports that the Tory inner circle want Rees-Moggy as Prime Minister.

  11. #91
    Apparently May went over to Germany to show Merkel her plans for Brexit and ask her opinion. No one in our Cabinet had seen the plans, nor anyone in the Department for Exiting, including the person charged with negotiating our departure, David Davis.

    I know we abolished capital punishment a long while ago, but what is the current punishment for an act of treason ?

  12. #92
    It's really quite shocking that this can actually happen. One person deciding the future of a nation? Fcuking madness!

  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    We are really going nowhere with this are we. Theresa May could be gone before much longer and I am reading chilling reports that the Tory inner circle want Rees-Moggy as Prime Minister.
    That lefties view the Mog with alarm BT is music to my ears. I quite like the cut of his jib, besides there are currently no Old Etonians in the Cabinet, in the interests of diversity and equality, that imbalance needs redressing forthwith.
    Last edited by sinkov; 12-07-2018 at 08:45 AM.

  14. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    It's really quite shocking that this can actually happen. One person deciding the future of a nation? Fcuking madness!
    I agree BT, but don't worry, Jacob and Jeremy will make sure her plan never gets through parliament. I have no problem with a PM making decisions, it comes with the territory, but our government asked the people what they wanted, it's May's duty to deliver on their decision, not consort with the people determined to thwart the will of the British people, there are more than enough traitors in our own country without going abroad conniving with them as well.

    'Is this OK with you mutti ?' Jesus feckin wept, shameful.

  15. #95
    Trump wants a hard Brexit possibly so he will think we would do a deal that favoured him.
    Meanwhile the paper isn’t at Westminster when Raab starts to talk about it. Parliament suspended to allow MPs 5 minutes to read it.. so it will be an uninformed debate and the new Minister gets off to a bad start.

  16. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by oldcolner View Post
    Trump wants a hard Brexit possibly so he will think we would do a deal that favoured him.
    The President of the USA wants to do a trade deal that would be beneficial to his country. What on earth will this idiot get up to next ?

  17. #97
    May pictured cosying up on BBC news to Trumpster was so sycophantic, the induced nausea brought my tea up.

  18. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    May pictured cosying up on BBC news to Trumpster was so sycophantic, the induced nausea brought my tea up.
    I'll bet there were tomato skins in it BT, there always are, even if you haven't eaten any tomatoes.

  19. #99
    Carrots too, and I bloody hate carrots!

  20. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by sinkov View Post
    The President of the USA wants to do a trade deal that would be beneficial to his country. What on earth will this idiot get up to next ?
    Sinkov You misquote me. I was talking of him supporting Brexit.
    He wants us out of the EU then he will see us as weak. President Roosevelt did a deal in WW2 when we were on our own that ensured we ended up in the US debt and only when he saw we were broke did he come into the war.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...of-empire.html

    Trump has similar motives I suggest. Brexit weakens Britain and weakens Europe both of which are in his interest.

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