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    D Day for Brexit

    Today our Government will finally "agree" what form Brexit will take. About time too.

    I reckon there will be resignations no matter what the decision is.

    It seems to me that most people on here favour the Rees-Mogg version - just have a complete break and go it alone.

    Finally Theresa May will have to make a decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1959_60 View Post
    Today our Government will finally "agree" what form Brexit will take. About time too.

    I reckon there will be resignations no matter what the decision is.

    It seems to me that most people on here favour the Rees-Mogg version - just have a complete break and go it alone.

    Finally Theresa May will have to make a decision.

    And in the unlikely event there is agreement the EU will say no.

    I don't favour one version or another, I just want the government and parliament to honour the pledge it gave before the referendum, to carry out the wishes of the people, and the expressed wish was to leave the EU. The establishment will make sure those wishes are ignored though, we'll end up half out and half in.

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    Taxis on standby for resigning ministers not a good sign.

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    The cabinet have "agreed" (ahem) the deal.

    It is certainly "Brexit Lite" but I simply can't imagine that the EU will accept it.

    Nor will the hard Brexiteers.

    And people like me are wondering how the hell will we be any better off than we are now?

    In effect, trade can continue in a similar manner to what it does now but we will have to follow EU regulations. And we will have no say in these rules. We will become a rule taker, not a rule maker.

    Given the above, I doubt that there will be much support for it from most of the country. Still, it could have been worse.

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    At least there’s something that can be used for discussions, but like you I’m not sure where it takes us.
    - possibly to EU rejection of any deal.
    If we are a rule taker then that may only apply in trade with the EU. I suspect the EU will soon adopt rules that undermine our services and trade.
    With Trump ramping up Trade Wars who knows what the future holds.

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    May's apparent incompetence simply masked her ulterior motive, to keep us in the EU. She was a Remainer, as was the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Leopards never change their spots.

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    The public have been stitched up from start to finish, Democracy my Arse.

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    We actually vote for and allow these people to decide our fate? Are we totally fcuking bonkers..?

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    I am sure that the deal will be watered down even more by the EU.

    So, would you now support a peoples vote once the final details are known - probably in October?

    I would suggest three options...

    1/. Accept the deal
    2/. Reject the deal and cut ties with the EU
    3/. Remain in the EU as it is now

    Without a peoples vote there will be millions of people (probably the majority of the population) who will feel that this is a bad deal for Britain.

    Surely the only way to keep the public on board is to give them the final say?

    It's call democracy.

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    It's our democratic process that put these clowns in...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    It's our democratic process that put these clowns in...

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    ...and it's our democratic process that can remove them BT.

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    Not when those pesky Russians with their Novichok and election rigging are involved it isn't 1959_60!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    It's our democratic process that put these clowns in...

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    The trouble is that the alternative is a Communist clown that would take us back to economic oblivion as they have done every time they get in power. Only the candle makers would do well with Corbyn and his lunatic mates in government.

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    So you are on board with the Russia/Novichok thing BT?

    Don't worry though, we do similar things to our "enemies of the state". But it seems like we do it better

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    I don't want another vote under any circumstances 59/60, one was enough, the instruction was clear, the promise from the government was clear, they can do whatever they like for me now, another vote will just create even more disharmony and confusion. The situation has gone beyond recall, it's a total disaster, and the people will take their revenge on the traitors at the ballot box.

    I am not unduly concerned for the future though, the EU will go the same way as the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia, even the UK is fraying at the edges, the EU is living on borrowed time, we would just have been better off out when it does collapse though, now we will go down with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    It's our democratic process that put these clowns in...
    But BT what would Labour (and SNP probably) have come up with. They would be just as divided in implementing a Brexit deal and even more clueless about business. The UK would be broken up, Diane in charge of the economy.What fun.

    59 wants to let the will of 34% of the people overturn the vote of 52%. No chance.
    Any vote would be option 1 v option 2. No option 3
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    Not too late at all Sinkov.

    If there is public appetite for a hard Brexit then a public vote would deliver one. It's the only democratic way to keep the public on board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1959_60 View Post
    Not too late at all Sinkov.

    If there is public appetite for a hard Brexit then a public vote would deliver one. It's the only democratic way to keep the public on board.
    But with up to 65% of people not agreeing with the vote, how is that the will of the people..
    Staying in the EU would be on different terms and we wouldn’t know what they were either. Sorry but the I’ll thought through Lib Dem plan is dead in the water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldcolner View Post

    59 wants to let the will of 34% of the people overturn the vote of 52%. No chance.
    But the combined might of the vast majority of Tory, Labour and LibDem politicians, the House of Lords, the Civil Sevice, the
    Judiciary, big business, the banks, the BBC, most of the media and various wealthy indivduals has overturned the vote of 52%.

    Some people say it's democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1959_60 View Post
    Not too late at all Sinkov.

    If there is public appetite for a hard Brexit then a public vote would deliver one. It's the only democratic way to keep the public on board.
    You cannot be serious 59/60, we've had a vote, the result has been sneered at, scorned, ridiculed and finally overturned by the Remainer Establishment. Why should we go to the expense, time and trouble to have another vote ? Possibly to add a veneer of legitimacy to Remainer treachery, but having my vote ignored once, 17.2 million votes ignored in fact, what on earth is the point of anyone voting again ? We will have to accept that we'll have do what the Remainers and the EU want, and live with it.

    No, let's carry on and see where we end up, seems like we'll still be paying into the EU, at their beck and call, having to abide by their rules, regulations and laws, but we'll have no say in the matter this time. This is what the Remainers have fought for, they've won, so let's live with it. We're going to be right up **** creek without a paddle from now on, but that's what you and your remainer chums wanted, so let's see how we get on.

    Remainers are laughing now, I can guarantee you they won't be laughing in five years time.

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