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@ raginpup

I love the way that you demand evidence from others yet make claims like: I think it is fair to say that Labour's manifesto commitments, if came to pass, would force business to rethink their strategy, adjust its operations but they would continue to operate within the UK as the alternatives aren't attractive enough to relocate, which, if you're being honest for a moment, is an expression of faith, or, perhaps more accurately, a blind expression of hope, because that is what you want to believe.

Is the bottom line is that you can't escape form the logic that increasing corporate taxation in the UK makes the country less attractive to operate in, so you squeeze your eyes tight shut, cross your fingers and hope?

What sort of 'adjustment to operations' from business falling short of stopping investment in it's existing operations or abandoning the UK are you anticipating and hoping for?

You suggest that your advice to work colleagues is 'keep doing the same thing and you'll get the same results'. It's good advice although Einstein's version was more eloquent. It's strange that you offer that advice, however, whilst advocating a return to the tax and spend policies that so spectacularly failed the country in the 70s. Practise what you preach maybe?

On the subject of what works, you may also reflect on the Joseph Rowntree Foundation Report that MMM linked to a few months ago which confirmed the progress that had been made in reducing poverty in this country, which progress only faltered after the financial crisis of 2008 and the aftermath thereof. Alternatively you could reflect on the historical and current consequences of Socialist economics around the world.

I post on these threads because they interest me. That's the same for you I assume. I know that you started posting on football threads after someone asked why you only posted on political ones a while ago, but I'm not so in need of the approval of others.

Don't try that one Kerr you big old snakeypants - as you've said yourself that we could provide no evidence that things (public services, homelessness) would have been better in the last 10 years if corp tax had been higher, but then was stumped by me pointing out that you yourself had no evidence that things would have been worse. Your complete conviction on the fact that cutting corporation tax leads to increased tax revenues is completely faith based, and born of looking at economics the way that you want to see it. The one certainty is that by raising corporation tax X amount would raise X amount for tax revenues, that is a FACT, but I'm not trying to hide that it gives birth to uncertainty about how businesses respond, and this has to be weighed up in the decision a government will have to weigh up. I don't claim to have evidence that NO jobs would be affected by such a raise, you don't have evidence that X amount of tax revenues would be raised by your cuts. Where your argument on this REALLY stalls is that after X years of substantial corp tax cuts in the UK you STILL cannot find any direct evidence of this increasing tax revenue, the very central point of your justification for cutting corp tax. As I keep pointing out, we have done it your way for years and years, yet you still can't point to tangible evidence that it works. I've pointed out the simple equation for what I think is happening: that the monies raised for companies is being offset by the taxes lost to the public purse. I can't prove that, but that seems a reasonable assumption seeing as it certainly doesn't seem to be making it's way into our public purse...

Now do you need me to point out the differences between commentary and opinions on economic models (where there is little empirical evidence on what actually works) and my challenging people on here who like to casually stereotype and generalise. Can I categorically prove that all/most Africans aren't violent, and that all/most Muslims aren't terrorists? No, but does that mean such statements should be allowed to go through unchallenged. (if you'd been reading my posts closely enough you'd have noticed that the real objective was to try and discourage the onslaught of right wing posts being started on here) Why am I posting lessons in logic and argument to a bloody lawyer?? I think you know this really, but just like by brother in law (barrister), loves to just win arguments and will keep droning on until submission!

And as for my commenting on footy posts ha haaa! - how cynical are you? If you'd read my input to footy posts a bit more, you'd have noticed that I got access to watch all the Millers games last Autumn and for the first time in years could regularly watch Millers games on a regular basis. Hence I was able to make informed comments, and join in enthusiastically on match threads. Without this, I didn't feel able to contribute much without seeing them. You must be an awfully cynical individual to make such a wrong assumption! Egg on face lad!