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    England suffer 3rd place play-off heartache

    This game really counts for nothing, but should we win and go for a victory it would prove so much how much the team want it. I will not be judging this team either way, but it would nice for once leaving a World Cup on a positive note. Something about the Beligians I'm not a fan of (bar Lukaku). I hope we go for it.

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    I'd expect Gareth WestCoat to play the Squad players who didn't make appearances (?)

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    Arise Sir Gareth for finishing 4th

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    Lol

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    Southgates Guinness book of excuses we lost to a very good Belgium side who had an extra days rest over us + it was very hot out their + we were carrying a few injuries, think Danny Rose has been having lessons off Nyom for the Belgium goal ! Off to watch the cricket ,

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    Quote Originally Posted by phild View Post
    Arise Sir Gareth for finishing 4th


    The reality is England won matches against teams with very little quality. We lost three matches to teams with quality ie Croatia and Belgium.

    Have we done well - yes! Have England improved - not really as the three losses speak volume against quality opposition!

    Had we played Spain, Portugal, Germany or Brazil then chances are we would have also lost!

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    England surpassed expectations and i for one will never take my waist coat off, despite how hot it is.

    Agree with Al, against quality sides we were exposed.

    Don't subscribe to this new fearless, passing England.

    Except under taylor and under keegan to an extent, England have always tried to pass the ball under hoddle, venables, sven and capello, until they are losing when invariably lump it up to try and snatch something.

    Unlike some have advocated we haven't created loads of chances (Panama apart).

    We don't have a gazza in mf and we don't have out and out pacy wingers who chip in with goals.

    Ffs, sicknote chadli scored more than sterling.

    But, there are high hopes phil foden at man city could be the answer, maybe even d ick head jack grealish.

    But, at least we have learnt from this wc kane (nor lukaku for that matter) are not world class, yet.

    Kane was talked of as a 200m real madrid signing last week, as a replacement for ronaldo.

    Don't make me laugh, he is nowhere near that level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaggieBlood View Post
    England surpassed expectations and i for one will never take my waist coat off, despite how hot it is.

    Agree with Al, against quality sides we were exposed.

    Don't subscribe to this new fearless, passing England.

    Except under taylor and under keegan to an extent, England have always tried to pass the ball under hoddle, venables, sven and capello, until they are losing when invariably lump it up to try and snatch something.

    Unlike some have advocated we haven't created loads of chances (Panama apart).

    We don't have a gazza in mf and we don't have out and out pacy wingers who chip in with goals.

    Ffs, sicknote chadli scored more than sterling.

    But, there are high hopes phil foden at man city could be the answer, maybe even d ick head jack grealish.

    But, at least we have learnt from this wc kane (nor lukaku for that matter) are not world class, yet.

    Kane was talked of as a 200m real madrid signing last week, as a replacement for ronaldo.

    Don't make me laugh, he is nowhere near that level.


    Kane is decent but to call him world class is laughable. Hazard and Modric as examples, are what I would call world class and Kane could not lace up their boots! Kane should have been subbed at half time against Croatia as he looked like a truck that ran out of diesel!

    Had we beaten Belgium today, a point may have been proved in terms of a step forward. The fact is Belgium beat us twice! Panama and Tunisia are probably no better than our League 1 sides.

    Again we were not disgraced but lets have some reality! Dele Ali was a better version of Livermore, and we know about our Jake.

    Chadli must be thinking after today's injury - I am going no where with my whopping wage in the comfy West Brom treatment room! Makes you sick!

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    This World Cup was never the plan. Southgate was always aiming to be ready for the next one and he seems to have started putting it in place alright

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Johnson View Post
    This World Cup was never the plan. Southgate was always aiming to be ready for the next one and he seems to have started putting it in place alright


    Is the sun getting to you Robert or is Mrs Carolgees giving you hoovering and ironing to do?

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    Technically these players are better than we’ve had for a while but the missing ingredient is the Mbappe,Neymar,Hazard type of player that has genius in their boots.

    We never seem to find the right compliment of players within one generation.

    Add the Rooney of 2004,the Gaza of 1990,the Michael Owen of 1998 to the present squad and you may have the X Factor needed.

    In reality like B.B. mentioned the other day we haven’t had a world class attacking midfielder since the Gazza of 1990.

    Anybody thinking Wiltshire is the answer needs to give their head a wobble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickd1961 View Post
    Technically these players are better than we’ve had for a while but the missing ingredient is the Mbappe,Neymar,Hazard type of player that has genius in their boots.

    We never seem to find the right compliment of players within one generation.

    Add the Rooney of 2004,the Gaza of 1990,the Michael Owen of 1998 to the present squad and you may have the X Factor needed.

    In reality like B.B. mentioned the other day we haven’t had a world class attacking midfielder since the Gazza of 1990.

    Anybody thinking Wiltshire is the answer needs to give their head a wobble.

    Technically better? Not convinced as Panama and Tunisia are no better than Walsall and we have lost three games to two quality sides! You could say with the gift of the draw, we had to get to the semi final.

    Just a reality check! Southgate - nice guy but come on you could say had he changed or rotated the squad as he should, we may have done better! Dele Ali was crap every game, and Kane should have been changed at half time along with Young and perhaps Lingarde. Southgate would not take off his little star Kane who had clearly run out of petrol and touched the ball a couple of times.

    That said - we still did better than was expected so it was great! Is this a new England though - not for me!!!!

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    Tbh Micko kid, I fail (or maybe I refuse) to see the so called genuis tag that the media keep giving to these over rated cheats like M'Bappe & Neymar especially.
    I do agree though with giving credit to the genuine talented creative players, like Hazard & De Bruyne for example. They will unfortunately miss out on yet another tournament win, because Belgium still arent doing it as a team, like they should be.

    As for who our next stars of the future are, we're meant to have a team of the future right now arent we ?. But no, thats obviously not true, and Im baffled as to where the next genuine Gazza type player will come from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baggieal View Post
    Is the sun getting to you Robert or is Mrs Carolgees giving you hoovering and ironing to do?
    No mate. It's well documented. I do things like read around subjects while doing the ironing.

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    I'm struggling to see what we have achieved at this WC,only more failure to beat a half decent side

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    Quote Originally Posted by WBA53 View Post
    I'm struggling to see what we have achieved at this WC,only more failure to beat a half decent side
    Its a bit of a negative view isnt it '53, but I agree to be honest.
    I think we all know that we/England have got to a certain stage here in the WC, and its better than what it was before etc. But its no better than that of course!.
    Last edited by Acido; 14-07-2018 at 08:12 PM.

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    I think the long term plan under ashworth and former fa chief gregg dyke was to win the wc in 2022.

    From what i recall dyke actually introduced a clock that counts down to 2022.

    It was his way to motivate everybody at the FA.

    Do i think England can win in 2022? Maybe if we can find a mf genius who can do what gazza could do.

    And some quality wingers.

    Defensively, i believe we are well equipped, and always have been as English sides, premier league compared to la liga sides have just been behind serie a defensively.

    Our problem has been not having the mf and wing play spark.

    Hopefully, we will win euro 2020, with the sf and final being over here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Johnson View Post
    This World Cup was never the plan. Southgate was always aiming to be ready for the next one and he seems to have started putting it in place alright
    That's the thing with England though, we always seem to be aiming for the next one, but when the next one comes the result is always the same. They had a golden opportunity here, Spain shot themselves in the foot by sacking their coach just before the tournament started, and when was the last Germany were so bad? I don't get all of this euphoria that's going on, with the way that the draw opened up for us, reaching the semi final wasn't that big a deal.

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