OT: Trump's end may be in sight

[Trickytreesreds]

You are a piece of work and probably the poster I most despise on this board. You are a mere capitalist lackey.
Just because someone calls themselves a socialist doesn't mean that their actions and philosophy are socialist. Hitler was only anti-capitalist because he wanted to smash what he saw as the Jewish moneyed class.
Furthermore the juxtaposition of Nationalist with Socialist is a moronic oxymoron because a true socialist is an internationalist.
True socialists don't hunt in gangs and beat people up and nor do they desire one supreme leader. All things Hitler and his cronies set out to achieve.
Btw, Merkel has more guts and honesty than any other European leader at the moment. Certainly more deserving of respect than your preferred candidate.
I note your lack of comment on Trump, who you have defended strongly in the past. Even embarrassing you now, is he?

Hi Sid, of course you have your opinion. I did point out that Frau Merkel is an extreme hypocrite in that youtube speech I posted the other day.
She jumped from anti immigration/ shut the door/ pull up the draw bridge, to a open the door without reason megalomaniac, in the space of a few years.
I don't believe in slightest that she is honest. She's a liar and turn coat when it suits.
She may act as Europes mouth piece, but come to the crunch, it's Germany first.

In case you missed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMehONsM-GI

[jackal2]

Mr Serious Pie and I have a £20 bet on that the Trumpster will not make it to the end of his four-year term. With still 28 months to go, he is in deep brown stuff. Even his Republican pals like Gingrich and Ryan are calling him out on this one. To tell Putin that he may well not have interfered in the 2016 election is beyond misjudgment. He is saying that the US cannot rely on the integrity of its own intelligence services.
Only fools could support Trump at this point. He has shat upon America's allies and friends and told at least 3 dictatorships that he likes the way they are running their country.
Mueller will now know he has to step on the gas with his enquiry. I have always said that once the Republican turn on the orange moron, the road to impeachment will open up.

The US (people and President) almost certainly cannot rely on the integrity of their intelligence services. In fact, asking someone whether they trust Putin or the FBI is a bit like asking them whether they would prefer to be hung or shot. Talking of which, I do agree that Trump may not make the end of his Presidency, by one means or another, because he's too much of a threat to the political establishment. Whether through naivety or by design, Trump is refusing to acknowledge almost any of the traditional norms of US-Russia relations or international relations in general, at least so far as the American establishment see it, and therefore a lot of people (irrespective of whether they are superficially Democrats or Republicans) will want him out of the way. The US political system, like most Western political systems, is designed to make sure mavericks like Trump never even get close to positions of power, but by not obeying any of the usual rules he's found the tradesman's entrance to the White House, and he's continuing in the same vein. There is a shed load of money staked on ensuring the US and Russia officially remain enemies.

[drillerpie]

An absurd article deserves an absurd response. Incidentally, do you believe that the Nazis weren't left wing socialists?

Well I see you've withdrawn the suggestion that they were liberal, which is just as well because that was the most absurd of the three, being a totalitarian regime it couldn't be further from either classic or modern liberalism.

I believe that the Nazis were not left wing socialists, that's correct. I notice Marx has been quoted, how many references to the proletariat in Nazi propaganda, not many (if any) as far as I know, it was all about ethnic purity (hi Tricky) and national identity. If the violent overthrow of those in power is enough to be called Marxist and therefore socialist, every revolution ever was socialist.

I think that's too simplistic.

As regards the name National Socialism, North Korea is called the Democratic Republic of North Korea, but it doesn't mean it's democratic.

[Trickytreesreds]

Well I see you've withdrawn the suggestion that they were liberal, which is just as well because that was the most absurd of the three, being a totalitarian regime it couldn't be further from either classic or modern liberalism.

I believe that the Nazis were not left wing socialists, that's correct. I notice Marx has been quoted, how many references to the proletariat in Nazi propaganda, not many (if any) as far as I know, it was all about ethnic purity (hi Tricky) and national identity. If the violent overthrow of those in power is enough to be called Marxist and therefore socialist, every revolution ever was socialist.

I think that's too simplistic.

As regards the name National Socialism, North Korea is called the Democratic Republic of North Korea, but it doesn't mean it's democratic.

Ohhhhhhhhhh cheap dig there.

Considering the UK has the mixture of cultures that it does, that's a very strange one aimed at me, with a native Canadian girlfriend.Makes you look a bit of a bigoted berk if I'm honest.

So what's your opinion on Poland/Hungary/Slovakia/Czechoslovakia, considering they are doing there upmost to not comply with EU doctrine?
Are they Nazi's as well?

[Notsohumblepie]

[QUOTE=drillerpie;38948296]Well I see you've withdrawn the suggestion that they were liberal, which is just as well because that was the most absurd of the three, being a totalitarian regime it couldn't be further from either classic or modern liberalism.

how many references to the proletariat in Nazi propaganda, not many (if any) as far as I know,

"Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" -National Socialist German Workers Party . May not be proletariat, or lumpenproletariat as they are better known to many Guardian readers, but a worker is a worker .

I happen to agree with you about the Nazi Party , but if you are going to indulge in semantics, it's a two way street.

[MagpieTony]

Well I see you've withdrawn the suggestion that they were liberal, which is just as well because that was the most absurd of the three, being a totalitarian regime it couldn't be further from either classic or modern liberalism.

I believe that the Nazis were not left wing socialists, that's correct. I notice Marx has been quoted, how many references to the proletariat in Nazi propaganda, not many (if any) as far as I know, it was all about ethnic purity (hi Tricky) and national identity. If the violent overthrow of those in power is enough to be called Marxist and therefore socialist, every revolution ever was socialist.

I think that's too simplistic.

As regards the name National Socialism, North Korea is called the Democratic Republic of North Korea, but it doesn't mean it's democratic.

You would be hard pressed to deny that Hitler was a socialist when you consider many of his policies and equally hard pressed to deny that many leftist inspired action groups like antifa and even to a degree momentum exhibited far more so called Nazi traits than they may care to admit.

[Elite_Pie]

You shouldn't have warned Trump of the consequences sid - the odious little piece of sh!t has just done a major U-turn. He now accepts the US intelligence view that Russia did indeed meddle in their election. His personality and morals actually make someone like Michael Gove look honourable, and I can't think of a worse insult than that, yet I'm sure some on here will continue to kiss his arse*.

* talking of his arse sid, the mental image I got from your thread title that his end may be in sight put me off my dinner.

[MagpieTony]

You shouldn't have warned Trump of the consequences sid - the odious little piece of sh!t has just done a major U-turn. He now accepts the US intelligence view that Russia did indeed meddle in their election. His personality and morals actually make someone like Michael Gove look honourable, and I can't think of a worse insult than that, yet I'm sure some on here will continue to kiss his arse*.

* talking of his arse sid, the mental image I got from your thread title that his end may be in sight put me off my dinner.

Before anyone goes creaming their pants about the demise of Trump in relation to Russia I would suggest you wait and watch the full story unfold because the saga has just begun and for some it will have a painful and unexpected conclusion.

[Trickytreesreds]

Before anyone goes creaming their pants about the demise of Trump in relation to Russia I would suggest you wait and watch the full story unfold because the saga has just begun and for some it will have a painful and unexpected conclusion.

I'd understand the obsession with Trump and the passionate hatred he gets. So long as it was shared around with the other nasties in the world. But it isn't and you have to ask why?

Another hypocrite-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP3IdkJpjUQ

[Elite_Pie]

I'd understand the obsession with Trump and the passionate hatred he gets. So long as it was shared around with the other nasties in the world. But it isn't and you have to ask why?

Another hypocrite-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP3IdkJpjUQ

You consistently base your morals (and moderating) on the viewpoint that "If Person A is really, really bad, then you can't criticise person B if they are bad as well". You really need to get out more.