It's back, it won't go away.

[Balanbam00]

O C :

In Islam, the concept of 72 virgins (houri) refers to an aspect of Jannah (Paradise). This concept is grounded in Qur'anic text which describe a sensual Paradise where believing men are rewarded by being wed to virgins with "full grown", "swelling" or "pears-shaped" breasts. Conversly, women will be provided with only one man, and they "will be satisfied with him"
Contemporary mainstream Islamic scholars, for example; Gibril Haddad, have commented on the erotic nature of the Qur'anic Paradise, by saying some men may need ghusl (ablution required after ***ual discharge) just for hearing certain verses.

Orthodox Muslim theologians such as al-Ghazali (died 1111 CE) and al-Ash'ari (died 935 CE) have all discussed the sensual pleasures found in Paradise, relating hadith that describe Paradise as a slave market where there will be "no buy and sale, but... If any man will wish to have ***ual intercourse with a woman, he will do at once.

It is quoted by Ibn Kathir, in his Qur'anic Commentary, the Tafsir ibn Kathir,[8] and they are graphically described by Qur'anic commentator and polymath, al-Suyuti (died 1505), who, echoing a hasan hadith from Ibn Majah, wrote that the perpetual virgins will all "have appetizing vaginas", and that the "***** of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal"

[sinkov]

She looked like a nurse, she acted like a nurse, but it's OK with you sinkov to shoot a defenceless woman because you don't think she is a nurse? WOW!

Don't be silly BT, I know you are nowhere near as gullible as you're sounding.

Remember the Weapons of Mass Destruction ? Have they found them yet ?

The chemical weapons attack by Assad and Russia at Douma, resplendent with photos of victims (children of course) taken by the allegedly neutral White Helmets ? The site has been independently inspected, there is no evidence of any chemical weapons being used.

The Iraq war, the RAF and USAF used laser guided bombs, yet after every attack there were claims they had hit a hospital or a school.

Same in Gaza, every Israeli air raid hits a hospital or a school.

152 killed so far this year along the border, yet you laughed and sneered at my simple humanitarian solution which would have saved those 152 lives. Don't go near the fence !!!

Don't those lives matter to you ? Put your brain into gear mon ami, there's nothing very clever about being a shill for a murderous, anti-Semitic, terrorist group like Hamas.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Honestly sinkov, thanks to you I have no faith whatsoever in the future of humankind.

[Norder]

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at least Corbyn has some friends - they just happen to be Jewish folk - in Tel-Aviv.

spot the bullies.

[Balanbam00]

Norder ,friend : These are socialist mosly from Kibutzim, young educated in a socialist way of life etc. But now most kibutzim are changing to a capitalistic lifestile. Socialism does not work. After the change some 10 years ago the majority now ,would not want the old life style. But it had some good points like being on a kibutz nobody needed money to carry with them. What ever you wanted was written to your account. Festivals ,lectures ,kibutz ameanities,facility's and services all free. In the period now, we pay.
Such a demonstration in the video ,the kibutz would lay on transport to the activity ,or in this case the demonstration. But now things have changed,that does not happen. Besides the video is from 2014, some are wearing these red t-shirts ,so some kibutzim may still organize some activities.In some cases we can not say a very political objective ,whilst the young mostly go to meet friends from other Kibutzim,or frinds whilst serving in the army.

BT: You write , ''Meanwhile, IDF snipers are free to kill defenceless civilians on sight. It's shocking it really is.''

Somehow you have not grasped ,Iran wants chaos in the region,it serves Irans interest.
Iran's $100 million aid to Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

While aid to Hamas and Islamic Jihad is only a tenth of the funds to Hezbollah, the budget for the Lebanese organization was reduced this year amid economic hardship in Iran, but that of the Gaza terror groups remained the same; Hamas and Islamic Jihad use their funds to bolster their military wings.

Iran transfers $100 million every year to Hamas and Islamic Jihad, the two main Palestinian factions in the Gaza Strip. The money is divided as follows: $70 million is transferred to Hamas, while Islamic Jihad gets $30 million. The vast majority of this money is used by the two organizations to further bolster their military wings, instead of aiding the civilian population in the Gaza Strip........'' It's shocking it really is.''

BT: Ask yourself why this money does not go into building Gaza's infrastructure ,water gas ,electricity and sewage.etc?
They are not interested in that,it goes into Gaza's war machine!!!

[Norder]

Norder ,friend : These are socialist mosly from Kibutzim, young educated in a socialist way of life etc. But now most kibutzim are changing to a capitalistic lifestile. Socialism does not work. After the change some 10 years ago the majority now ,would not want the old life style. But it had some good points like being on a kibutz nobody needed money to carry with them. What ever you wanted was written to your account. Festivals ,lectures ,kibutz ameanities,facility's and services all free. In the period now, we pay.
Such a demonstration in the video ,the kibutz would lay on transport to the activity ,or in this case the demonstration. But now things have changed,that does not happen. Besides the video is from 2014, some are wearing these red t-shirts ,so some kibutzim may still organize some activities.In some cases we can not say a very political objective ,whilst the young mostly go to meet friends from other Kibutzim,or frinds whilst serving in the army.

ok...if you say so Balam - and could be truth in it, to me doesn't matter, as am sure many just don't like what they see - are there to protest against the actions of the Israeli government - as is fair, and facing them is the organized right-...Lions of the Shadow, far right extremist Lehava - death to all arabs etc - they will call the left traitors/human waste/scum...the enemy within - and the left will call them fascists/nazis and child killers etc - bit of a mess isn't it....and so - how is it, that if someone from outside of Israel, spoke along the same lines as the Jews in Israel, lets say, agreeing with Jewish left in Israel - then they are liable to be labelled as anti-semite..?
Doesn't make any sense - unless they and their opinions are considered valueless...now that would be worrying.

Cheers.

[Balanbam00]

Yes, to answer your question ,they would be labled ''anti semites''.

But who are most these people on the far right, sons of jews that were living in moslem countries,and thrown out. We have Iranian Jewish Refugees. The Jewish refugees from Iran since 1979 in the majority of cases fled or escaped the clutches of the Iranian ayatollahs leaving behind millions of dollars’ worth of businesses, properties and other assets. The Iranian Jewish refugees who have escaped the treacherous radical Islamic regime in Iran were indeed innocent victims who had everything torn away from them nearly overnight. Such people would hate moslems

Although much is heard about the plight of the Palestinian refugees, little is said about the Jews who fled from Arab states. In 1945, there were more than 870,000 Jews living in the various Arab states. Throughout 1947 and 1948 these Jews were persecuted. Their property and belongings were confiscated. Thus, the Jewish refugees from Arab countries became full Israeli citizens whereas the Arab refugees who fled their homes in Palestine, remained “refugees“ unaided by the neighboring Arab countries. Their bank accounts would be frozen and used to finance resistance to 'Zionist ambitions in Palestine.' Jews believed to be active Zionists would be interned and their assets confiscated.“ Pogroms and persecutions, and grave fears for their future, regularly preceded the mass expulsions and exoduses of the Jews.

The mass displacement of the Jews from Arab countries has been a breach of international law. The 1945 Nuremberg Charter, 1949 Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Civilians in Time of War. Decrees and practices discriminating against Jews in Arab countries, similar to the Nazi Nuremberg Laws on Citizenship and Race, and the victims, the Jews.

So again these Jews would hate the arabs. So when your family has suffered under the arabs ,maybe you understand, their cries of ''death to arabs?'' Mostly European Jews do not have this hatred, they have not suffered under arabs.

[Norder]

But who are most these people on the far right....

being all are of Jewish family - I dont doubt that membership "should" pass evenly through all ethnic divisions...and that any Jewish individuals roots (Sephardic/Ashkenazi etc) shouldn't offer any precedence over others - being why it does surprise me that Gopsteins Lehava (or the like) would contain a "majority" of Mizrahim...

The Jewish refugees from Iran since 1979 in the majority of cases fled or escaped the clutches of the Iranian ayatollahs leaving behind millions of dollars’ worth of businesses, properties and other assets. The Iranian Jewish refugees who have escaped the treacherous radical Islamic regime in Iran were indeed innocent victims who had everything torn away from them nearly overnight. Such people would hate moslems....etc

filing cabinet again Balam - Times of Israel 2015.

but....truly sad that any should be forced from there home....I hope they found happiness - and forgiveness.

Yes, to answer your question ,they would be labled ''anti semites''.

as...they have been - and some would say correctly - hence the question.....how can joining in support and voicing the same grievances as Israeli Jews who protest against the actions of the State - make one an Anti-Semite ?.....all I can conclude is - that those voices of protest are discounted as meaningless - so the connection broken - all feelings are then opposed the remaining point of viiew - support turns dissaproval - defence...becomes attack.

[sinkov]

In the meantime an IDF sniper murders a defenceless, unharmed nurse. Why is Dame Hodge not howling about that?

Here you go BT, your mate Owen Jones, another Hamas shill, caught lying about Israel and the IDF live on BBC TV.

"The last time there was an exchange between Israel and Hamas in Gaza, Owen appeared on primetime BBC TV and seemed especially eager to claim, during a lengthy anti-Israel rant, that Israel was particularly interested in killing children. He said:
‘“I don’t want to just throw statistics around – I’ll give you one example of one of those children. Omar Misheri [sic]. He’s 11-months old, he’s a little boy, the son of a BBC journalist and he was killed in a so-called “targeted strike”.’
Now as I noted here last year, the case Owen appeared to be referencing was the tragic case of Omar Jihad al-Mishrawi. The son of a BBC Arabic Journalist, he was indeed killed in a strike. But not a ‘targeted strike’ by the IDF. No — the young Omar al-Mishrawi was killed by a rocket fired off by Hamas which ‘misfired’ and killed a child in Gaza rather than, as Hamas intended, a child in Israel. This was not my claim, but the claim of a subsequent UN report. As I noted last year, there should have been a lesson in this for Owen — as well as numerous other commentators on these matters. During a war it is exceedingly difficult if you are on the ground — never mind if you are not — to determine who has fired what where and when. I wrote a whole book about this a few years ago. Anybody who knows anything at all about conflict zones knows that the reporting of wars needs to be done with great care.

But on that occasion Owen was so keen to attack Israel that he failed to exercise that care. When I highlighted his serious factual error and suggested that he apologise for misleading viewers of the BBC, he refused to apologise and decided to stick to the libel under the apparent impression that attack was a better form of defence than apology. I thought that a shame at the time and thought less of Owen as a result.
Yet what is most striking today is that Owen is at it again. It is not just that he does not have the intellectual honesty to admit that anti-Semitism in Europe today is spearheaded not by far-right white racists, but by Muslims — and young Muslims in particular. Such people are happy to spend weekend after weekend dragging their young children to chant hatred against Israel on the streets of western capitals (thus ensuring that the hatred is kept alive for another generation). The real problem is that he continues to condemn anti-Semitism at the same time as assiduously feeding it."


Just like you BT, I would say gullible, but it's more than that isn't it, you actually WANT to believe this Hamas propaganda don't you ? And just like Jones, you claim to be fighting anti-Semitism in the Labour Party, while assiduously feeding it with your continuous appalling attacks on Jewish people on this msgboard.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Trawl through my posts sinkov, you will simply not find one appalling attack on Jewish people of mine on this msgboard.