It's back, it won't go away.

[sinkov]

"Sometimes sinkov I wonder if you do not realise political agendas and relevant comments? It is common knowledge that Chuka Ummuna hates Corbyn and indeed wants to form a new sort of right of centre political party."

They are all politicians BT, of course they have an agenda, you're a member of a political party, everything you post on here also has an agenda. None of this however negates the fact that they can see Corbyn and their own party as anti-semitic. They are also political opponents of Theresa May, but they don't accuse her of anti-semitism do they ? And they don't because there is no evidence whatsoever that she is anti-semitic whereas the evidence against Corbyn mounts by the day.

His latest comments about Jews, however long they have lived here, never able to understand our ironic sense of humour. Nothing to do with supporting Palestinians, nothing to do with criticising Israel. Just good old common or garden anti-semitism, jew-baiting some call it, and the pathetic old duffer doesn't even realise it. Which epitomises Labour's problem.

And before you claim yet again that this is all a Jewish plot, could you tell us how your proposal to have the anti-semites (who you say don't exist) in your party sent on re-education courses is going ? Has it been accepted, is it being acted upon ?

[sinkov]

Further to this.

Rabin and Arafat signed the Oslo Accord (Peres also supported the Accord) and progress was being made.

Then in 1995 Rabin was assassinated by a Jewish student.

Along came Netanyahu who admits to stopping the Oslo Accord.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing Sinkov...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assass..._Yitzhak_Rabin

What went on back then 59/60, who knows. I would certainly not trust, from experience, the history according to the
lefty sources you exclusively quote from, no need to list them, it's the usual subjects. And especially Wikipedia, an apparently neutral source, which in reality is anything but. The fact remains that the Israelis have made numerous attempts to resolve the issue, but all attempts have failed with fault and intransigence on both sides. A fairer more balanced summation than your claim that Israel does not, and has never, sought a peaceful solution. Was Rabin not Israeli ?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I sort of remember saying that if a member of the Labour Party was indeed proven to be anti-Semitic (i.e. having an irrational hatred of Jews) that person should be immediately suspended from the Labour Party.

Before re-instatement to the Party they should have mandatory attendance on a re-education programme and perhaps be sent to the Documentation Centre in Nuremberg to have a look at what real hatred of the Jews looks like.

I have not yet seen any sort of Hitlerian rants from any current member of the Labour Party. This anti-Semitism malarkey really is claptrap. I have had a look at our family's history, I can now self identify as a Jew. Big leap, but here we go!

[sinkov]

I sort of remember saying that if a member of the Labour Party was indeed proven to be anti-Semitic (i.e. having an irrational hatred of Jews) that person should be immediately suspended from the Labour Party.

Ah, now I get it BT, the Labour version of anti-semitism, if you hate Jews because they control and manipulate the media, as you claim British Jewry does, and because they are vile capitalists controlling the world's money supply, as depicted in the Tower Hamlets mural Jeremy was so enamoured of, that's a rational hatred and perfectly valid. It's only if your hatred is irrational that it's anti-semitism.

Interesting.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Ah, now I get it BT, the Labour version of anti-semitism, if you hate Jews because they control and manipulate the media, as you claim British Jewry does, and because they are vile capitalists controlling the world's money supply, as depicted in the Tower Hamlets mural Jeremy was so enamoured of, that's a rational hatred and perfectly valid. It's only if your hatred is irrational that it's anti-semitism.

Interesting.

Did Corbyn paint the Tower Hamlets mural? Just googled it, though not.The graphic, Freedom for Humanity, was painted on a property near Brick Lane in London’s East End by renowned international graffiti artist Kalen Ockerman, known as Mear One, in 2012.

It depicted a group of businessmen and bankers sitting around a Monopoly-style board and counting money. Not a mention of Jews, but of course it's deemed to be anti-Semitic. Bonkers!

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I wonder what Martin Niemoller would make of Jeremy Corbyn today?

I wonder if he would realise the capitalists and the far right nutjobs are coming for the contemporary, modern socialists?

A lesson from history:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[1959_60]

What went on back then 59/60, who knows. I would certainly not trust, from experience, the history according to the
lefty sources you exclusively quote from, no need to list them, it's the usual subjects. And especially Wikipedia, an apparently neutral source, which in reality is anything but. The fact remains that the Israelis have made numerous attempts to resolve the issue, but all attempts have failed with fault and intransigence on both sides. A fairer more balanced summation than your claim that Israel does not, and has never, sought a peaceful solution. Was Rabin not Israeli ?

I'm confused here Sinkov.

Which bit do you dispute?

Rabin and Arafat agreed the deal?

It was progressing until Rabin was assassinated?

Netanyahu took over as Prime Minister?

Netanyahu was hostile to the deal and scuppered it?

Yes, Rabin and Peres were very keen to broker a deal (the only ones before or since). Arafat and the PLO were also keen on a peaceful settlement.

In the end, it was the right wing Israelis who put paid to it. They never wanted a deal.

And why would the Israelis be interested in a deal today? They are a super power and can do precisely what they wish with Palestine.

Like I said earlier, Palestine is shrinking so much that it is dubious if it can be a viable state in the future.

Job done, eh?

[sinkov]

The bit I dispute 59/60 is your statement which I have highlighted in post 345.

[sinkov]

Did Corbyn paint the Tower Hamlets mural? Just googled it, though not.The graphic, Freedom for Humanity, was painted on a property near Brick Lane in London’s East End by renowned international graffiti artist Kalen Ockerman, known as Mear One, in 2012.

It depicted a group of businessmen and bankers sitting around a Monopoly-style board and counting money. Not a mention of Jews, but of course it's deemed to be anti-Semitic. Bonkers!

Keep digging.

[Balanbam00]

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