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    Apologies to Tessa it wasn’t her but Margaret Hodge.

    Jeremy Corbyn will take action against a senior Labour MP who branded him an "anti-Semite" and a "racist" in a dramatic House of Commons clash.

    Following crunch Brexit votes on Tuesday night, Dame Margaret Hodge confronted the Labour leader directly amid a row over the party's adoption of a new code of conduct on anti-Semitism.

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    A State that is only 70 years old and already our second largest customer for weapons and arms. Good effort Balan!

    .....but don't tell anyone,please.
    What we do is sell them off to the pally's at a reduced price!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balanbam00 View Post
    A State that is only 70 years old and already our second largest customer for weapons and arms. Good effort Balan!

    .....but don't tell anyone,please.
    What we do is sell them off to the pally's at a reduced price!
    I don't fcuking think so Balan! At a 200% profit perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldcolner View Post
    Apologies to Tessa it wasn’t her but Margaret Hodge.

    Jeremy Corbyn will take action against a senior Labour MP who branded him an "anti-Semite" and a "racist" in a dramatic House of Commons clash.

    Following crunch Brexit votes on Tuesday night, Dame Margaret Hodge confronted the Labour leader directly amid a row over the party's adoption of a new code of conduct on anti-Semitism.
    Corbyn is that pocket

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    The reality Norder is the sitting Jewish MP's in Parliament want a decree that says if you criticize the actions of the State of Israel it must be deemed anti-Semitic.

    Supporting Palestine or for instance protesting about IDF actions against the people of Gaza according to these self interested British Jews must be regarded as anti-Semitic. Corbyn is not having it!
    then perhaps the Corbins/Politicians/Media etc etc should get out there and properly explain it - because I see red flags when facts are left mysteriously unexplained , I find it oppressive - as opens the way for the madness of tyrants to make the running / take the lead.....as with the majority of coverage of this poxy affair - mostly only goes as far as - Jewish leaders objecting to Labours (NEC) definition - so therefore - labour/corbins are antisemite....rightly or wrongly - what kind of reporting is that ?

    this was also just out - though didn't see it through the msm !

    Israel law which could create Jewish-only communities protested by thousands over 'apartheid' fears

    Israeli lawmakers and demonstrators warn contentious bill defining Israel as a Jewish nation state is 'racist' and widens divides

    Jewish folk living in Israel - denouncing their own - Israeli ruling party - they better be careful !


    Demonstrators attend a rally in Tel Aviv to protest against the Jewish nation state bill

    Israel’s ruling party is seeking to pass a contentious law this week that could remove Arabic as a national language and permit Jewish-only communities, sparking uproar from critics who say it excludes the country’s Arab minority.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8450976.html


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    I don't pretend to understand the internal workings of the Labour Party BT, way beyond me, so could you explain why Labour will not accept the IHRA definition of anti-semitism. This seems to be the nub of the problem, that every other political party accepts it, even the police use it to define a hate crime, it seems to be the internationally accepted benchmark, but Labour alone has a problem with it.

    What is it about it the IHRA definition that makes it so problematic for Labour, and has ended up with them having the reputation of being a party that harbours anti-semites. A shocking situation for any party to find itself in, I'm sure you would agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkov View Post
    I don't pretend to understand the internal workings of the Labour Party BT, way beyond me, so could you explain why Labour will not accept the IHRA definition of anti-semitism. This seems to be the nub of the problem, that every other political party accepts it, even the police use it to define a hate crime, it seems to be the internationally accepted benchmark, but Labour alone has a problem with it.

    What is it about it the IHRA definition that makes it so problematic for Labour, and has ended up with them having the reputation of being a party that harbours anti-semites. A shocking situation for any party to find itself in, I'm sure you would agree.
    Why is this shocking? The Labour Party have adopted the UK Bizzies policy without brook or exception. For the life in me I can't understand what the fuss is about other than the list of Jewish MP's who constantly use anti-Semitism as the stick to beat up Corbyn with.


    UK Police definition of anti-Semitism:
    Anti-Semitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of anti-Semitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.
    In addition, such manifestations could also target the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish enterprise. Anti-Semitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits.
    Contemporary examples of anti-Semitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, considering the overall context, include, but are not limited to:
    • Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
    • Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
    • Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
    • Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust). Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
    • Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
    Examples of the ways in which anti-Semitism manifests itself regarding the State of Israel considering the overall context could include:
    • Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavour.
    • Applying double standards by requiring of it a behaviour not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
    • Using the symbols and images associated with classic anti-Semitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
    • Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
    • Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
    However, criticism of Israel like that levelled against any other country cannot be regarded as anti-Semitic. Anti-Semitic acts are criminal when they are so defined by law (for example, denial of the Holocaust or distribution of anti-Semitic materials in some countries).
    Criminal acts are anti-Semitic when the targets of attacks, whether they are people or property – such as buildings, schools, places of worship and cemeteries – are selected because they are, or are perceived to be, Jewish or linked to Jews.
    Anti-Semitic discrimination is the denial to Jews of opportunities or services available to others and is illegal in many countries.

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    You will note sinkov that the Labour Party have more Jewish MP's than the Tories. Perhaps it's the Tory Party that is anti-Semitic and racist?
    Labour Jewish MPs:
    Louise Ellman.
    Fabian Hamilton.
    Ivan Lewis.
    Margaret Hodge.
    Ed Miliband.
    Luciana Berger.
    Alex Sobel.
    Ruth Smeeth.

    Tory Jewish MPs:
    Jonathan Djanogly.
    Grant Schapps.
    Michael Ellis.
    Robert Halfon.
    Zac Goldsmith.
    Andrew Percy.
    Lucy Frazer.

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    Yes, all very interesting BT, but it doesn't answer my original question, why will Labour not accept the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism ?

    There may well be more Jewish Labour MPs than Tory ones, but the Tories accept the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism, it's just Labour that has a 'Jewish problem'.

    As the thread title says, it won't go away, and it's not a good look, should anti-semitism really be rearing it's ugly head in British politics in 2018 ? Truly shocking. I wouldn't want to be associated with any party tainted with the accusation anyway.

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    The IRHA definition of anti-Semitism is IMHO fatally flawed.

    The equivalent is having a Clarets Number but being banned sine die if you criticize the club.

    The Israelis cannot expect to ride rough shod over the Palestinians and get no criticism.

    The key bit for me, "However, criticism of Israel like that levelled against any other country cannot be regarded as anti-Semitic."

    The Jews in the British Labour Party cannot abide that and therefore brand Corbyn as anti-Semitic. It's Tommy Rot and you know it is sinkov.

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