What now for Brexit?

[1959_60]

So, as we all knew, Theresa Mays' Brexit plan will not be accepted by the EU. Or by many in her own party.
She MUST have known this (everyone else knew it) so what on earth was she thinking of?

It is too late to draw up another plan in time for the deadline (October/November) that will win the support of the EU or Tory party, so it looks like we are leaving without a deal. And very few people want this. Most people now realise how bad that will be.

And if we do crash out without a deal then there will HAVE to be an Irish border - something Theresa has said will never happen.

Our politicians are quite obviously not able to sort it out.

Which means a second referendum is now the only possible solution.

And there are only two options left. Leave with no deal or remain.

Keep it real folks.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

We will have a deal, but it will be a bloody awful one.

Let's hunt this idiot down and dry bum him with a rusty poker...

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[alfinyalcabo]

there won't be another vote,the vote has already been done..

[Supersub6]

BT, why are you complaining about David Cameron? He gave the people what they wanted by giving them a referendum as to whether or not we should leave the EU. THe people voted to leave, in spite of the fact that it was obvious that there was no clear plan in place to leave. Cameron, who is a remainer, decided that it would not be right for him to broker a leave deal when he did not think that we should leave, therefore, he resigned.
Since the vote, it has been very clear that nobody from any political party really knows what is going on and they are content to quibble amongst each other and whatever happens they will say that it was not their idea.

27 other nations are having a say as to the conditions under which we can leave the EU and you can be sure that there will be all sorts of legal agreements which have been entered into long before the leave vote was made and these will have to be met.
The whole thing is a mess, however, don't blame Cameron because he went when he lost and nobody can argue with that.

The British people voted leave because of empty promises which were made by some politicians who had no idea how they could fulfil those promises.
Don't worry about it because there is beggar all that we can do about any of this mess, whether you or politically active or not.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

David Cameron wanted to increase his own personal, political mandate. He backed the wrong horse, took his millions and ran away like the snivelling coward he is, along with his personal snowflake George Osborne. Where are the Dynamic Duo now?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

BT, why are you complaining about David Cameron? He gave the people what they wanted by giving them a referendum as to whether or not we should leave the EU. THe people voted to leave, in spite of the fact that it was obvious that there was no clear plan in place to leave. Cameron, who is a remainer, decided that it would not be right for him to broker a leave deal when he did not think that we should leave, therefore, he resigned.
Since the vote, it has been very clear that nobody from any political party really knows what is going on and they are content to quibble amongst each other and whatever happens they will say that it was not their idea.

27 other nations are having a say as to the conditions under which we can leave the EU and you can be sure that there will be all sorts of legal agreements which have been entered into long before the leave vote was made and these will have to be met.
The whole thing is a mess, however, don't blame Cameron because he went when he lost and nobody can argue with that.

The British people voted leave because of empty promises which were made by some politicians who had no idea how they could fulfil those promises.
Don't worry about it because there is beggar all that we can do about any of this mess, whether you or politically active or not.

Having just humiliated Theresa in Salzburg Macron added: “Those who explain that we can easily live without Europe, that everything is going to be all right, and that it’s going to bring a lot of money home are liars. It’s even more true since they left the day after so as not to have to deal with it.” Even the French want to dry bum Cameron with a rusty poker and his mate too!

[sinkov]

You do wonder why May has persisted so long with her Chequers proposal, it had no chance of getting through Parliament, the EU has said all along it was not acceptable, but still she has carried on with her fantasy. I really cannot work her out, she surely cannot be as thick as she appears to be, just what is her ultimate objective, she says she wants to take us out of the EU, but everything she does seems designed to keep us in. Look at the few Tories who wanted us to leave, where are they now, she's sidelined or subdued the whole lot of them, the show is now being run by people who don't want us to leave. Makes you think doesn't it.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I was in a meeting last night with two Labour MP's and party politics aside, they both said she has the intellect of a tadpole.

Both stated categorically she reads and comments from pre-scripted sound bites and cannot argue her way out of a paper bag. I read various newspapers on the Brexit fiasco in Salzburg yesterday and it would seem to me our two MP's are bang on the money.

Both MP's (one's a Brexiteer the other a Remainer) claimed that if all MP's were allowed a free, anonymous vote we would Remain. Self interest and democracy, means that cannot possibly happen. Hmmmmm....

[ClaretinBudapest]

I was in a meeting last night with two Labour MP's and party politics aside, they both said she has the intellect of a tadpole.

Both stated categorically she reads and comments from pre-scripted sound bites and cannot argue her way out of a paper bag. I read various newspapers on the Brexit fiasco in Salzburg yesterday and it would seem to me our two MP's are bang on the money.

Both MP's (one's a Brexiteer the other a Remainer) claimed that if all MP's were allowed a free, anonymous vote we would Remain. Self interest and democracy, means that cannot possibly happen. Hmmmmm....

“It is self-evident that where this democracy rules, the people as such are not taken into consideration at all. The only thing that matters is the existence of a few hundred gigantic capitalists who own all the factories and their stock and, through them, control the people. The masses of the people do not interest them in the least. They are interested in them just as were our bourgeois parties in former times - only when elections are being held, when they need votes. Otherwise, the life of the masses is a matter of complete indifference to them."

[Supersub6]

“It is self-evident that where this democracy rules, the people as such are not taken into consideration at all. The only thing that matters is the existence of a few hundred gigantic capitalists who own all the factories and their stock and, through them, control the people. The masses of the people do not interest them in the least. They are interested in them just as were our bourgeois parties in former times - only when elections are being held, when they need votes. Otherwise, the life of the masses is a matter of complete indifference to them."

As has always been the case and, in spite of lots of the masses thinking that they can changes things, it will remain the case.

BT --I have to take issue with the fact that you quote"..... Macron added: “Those who explain that we can easily live without Europe, that everything is going to be all right, and that it’s going to bring a lot of money home are liars. It’s even more true since they left the day after so as not to have to deal with it.” Even the French want to dry bum Cameron with a rusty poker and his mate too!....." Why would Cameron explain that we" could easily live without Europe etc. ......"
He was an avid remainer and never thought that the vote would be to leave so why should the French have an issue with that. It was the British people who voted to leave on promises from people like Farage who said that everything would be OK etc., etc. along with quite a number of others who jumped on the same bandwagon. Surely it is these people that Macron should be referring to!

I don't look at things with a political bias, I just look at the facts and the fact was, as I stated in my previous vote, that Camerpn resigned because he was a remainer and would not even try to negotiate against his own feelings. Theresa May took over the reigns and even called another election, which almost backfired in a spectacular way, however, she remained in office and has had to get on with trying to negotiate our leaving the EU, even though this is also not her way of thnking ---she too should have resigned and retained her honour! That would have been interesting because Boris could well have become leader of the Tories!

This is why we are in a mess, because there was never any grand plan for leaving the EU and it had obviously never been discussed with the other members of the EU before a vote was taken because all we had was conjecture that we would have so much more money for the NHS etc., etc. if we leave.
Does anyone honestly believe that there can be any good ending to this mess because it seems highly unlikely that the EU will accede to any of our proposals ----even if we have any!!