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    amalgamation

    Is it now time for both Dundee clubs to join together? Both teams are struggling and unlikely to win anything of note.crowds are dwindling slowly but surely and supporters would rather do other things with their money.I wouldn't want to see it but maybe our Yankee owners might.

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    If you want to kill football in this city then yes, canít see 50% off the support of each team going to watch a city team, especially older fans,

    Chances of winning league have always been very low, but plenty teams have won a cup in recent years, even s trip to Europe would do

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    I would never set foot in a pro football ground again in this country and wouldn't go to juniors or anything.

    It would probably encourage me to spend more of the winter away and would maybe start to go and see a Spanish or Portuguese side.

    If we took them over and euthanized them, then that's different.

    Never ever got the argument for one Dundee team, crowds wouldn't increase to competitive levels it would maybe make relegation less than a constant fear but then again maybe not.

    I do fear though the stadium will never happen and we will end up at tannadice for a few years before there's an amalgamation.

    I can't stand sharing the air I breathe with those of a dab persuasion, never mind a ground, colours and a team.

    Not for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Returnofrros View Post
    I would never set foot in a pro football ground again in this country and wouldn't go to juniors or anything.

    It would probably encourage me to spend more of the winter away and would maybe start to go and see a Spanish or Portuguese side.

    If we took them over and euthanized them, then that's different.

    Never ever got the argument for one Dundee team, crowds wouldn't increase to competitive levels it would maybe make relegation less than a constant fear but then again maybe not.

    I do fear though the stadium will never happen and we will end up at tannadice for a few years before there's an amalgamation.

    I can't stand sharing the air I breathe with those of a dab persuasion, never mind a ground, colours and a team.

    Not for me.
    It would be the same for , supported the Dee's all my life, my dad brainwashed me from birth and my son is the same.
    Even my grandson trains with Dundee.
    Think that would be me finished watching football in Dundee.

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    As a 3rd generation Dee, I would see an amalgamation as a good excuse for a break point when I give up on Scottish football and just spend my money taking in the occasional game in England and Europe.

    A new merged team would mean nothing to me, only interested in a team called Dundee playing in Dark Blue, anything else is not for me.

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    absolutely ffffffnn not

    if the yanks were to think that way then il be right around to fermer giles small holding to borrow a pitch fork

    ffuukkkk that

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    IMO this should be considered, and once the views are known it will be obvious that it should be rejected. There is no way that a Dundee City team will ever be stronger than an Aberdeen or Hearts or Hibs team, IMO. For 30 years the OF have dominated Scottish football and the powers that be are in their pockets. The game is totally loaded against all the other teams and as Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs are finding out it is impossible to beat teams who have much much greater resources over a whole season.

    As has been said a cup win is about the best we can hope for. There is no point in an amalgamated team. You may eventually end up with about 7k of support and still never have enough money to compete.

    I'd much rather watch DFC in the Championship than watch an amalgamated club struggling in the SPFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCram View Post
    IMO this should be considered, and once the views are known it will be obvious that it should be rejected. There is no way that a Dundee City team will ever be stronger than an Aberdeen or Hearts or Hibs team, IMO. For 30 years the OF have dominated Scottish football and the powers that be are in their pockets. The game is totally loaded against all the other teams and as Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs are finding out it is impossible to beat teams who have much much greater resources over a whole season.

    As has been said a cup win is about the best we can hope for. There is no point in an amalgamated team. You may eventually end up with about 7k of support and still never have enough money to compete.

    I'd much rather watch DFC in the Championship than watch an amalgamated club struggling in the SPFL.
    Won't be up to us, it will be up to a Texan and a future Australian (Mon the jets).

    It shudnt even be considered b cram.

    For example a Tully poll wud ask people who never go, never been for 30 years, politicians and the council.....suddenly the things got momentum.

    I don't think it's that far fetched a notion for it too happen.

    Apart from loathing the Dabs one of the reasons I genuinely want them to die is whether it's amalgamation or survival of the fittest I can only see one team playing out of Dundee in the next decade.

    The choices are an amalgamet team, DFC (the citys team) or the dabs who happen to play in Dundee.

    Jim McLean wanted us dead, The Thompson's wanted us dead and a large percentage of the dab support wanted us dead, sfl wanted us dead and it would have suited the council and the spl if we died....we survived it all, 125 years not out.

    **** giving any of that up for the square root of **** all and empty promises of a competing club that nobody would have any emotional tie to.

    It's simple....GDSDD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaded View Post
    absolutely ffffffnn not

    if the yanks were to think that way then il be right around to fermer giles small holding to borrow a pitch fork

    ffuukkkk that
    I keep a pitchfork at the shed door but it's to jab the postie to pick up the elastic bands, hopefully never have to use it to march on dens.

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    I think all this amalgamation crap has started because the dabs are struggling and don't have a pot to piss in and we are bottom of the league.
    We have been in more dire predicaments than being bottom of the league and still survived, as for the dabs, they have only been relegated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCram View Post
    IMO this should be considered, and once the views are known it will be obvious that it should be rejected. There is no way that a Dundee City team will ever be stronger than an Aberdeen or Hearts or Hibs team, IMO. For 30 years the OF have dominated Scottish football and the powers that be are in their pockets. The game is totally loaded against all the other teams and as Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs are finding out it is impossible to beat teams who have much much greater resources over a whole season.

    As has been said a cup win is about the best we can hope for. There is no point in an amalgamated team. You may eventually end up with about 7k of support and still never have enough money to compete.

    [B]I'd much rather watch DFC in the Championship than watch an amalgamated club struggling in the SPFL[B].
    Be careful what you wish for.

    I'd rather see Dundee FC as the only club in the city with the DABs out of existence. But I'd want that one club to be pure Dundee FC and competing in Premiership otherwise it's entirely pointless. Any amalgamation would end my interest in football in the city.

    Remember the DFC board would have to get out of the DFCSS tie in before any amalgamation could take place unless DFCSS agree to it of course which is unlikely. Only way to do that would be to dissolve Dundee FC. DABS are not in that same position so if the boards decided to go for it it's Dundee FC that would have to cease to exist - I don't believe the board has any intention of allowing that to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deeranged View Post
    Be careful what you wish for.

    I'd rather see Dundee FC as the only club in the city with the DABs out of existence. But I'd want that one club to be pure Dundee FC and competing in Premiership otherwise it's entirely pointless. Any amalgamation would end my interest in football in the city.

    Remember the DFC board would have to get out of the DFCSS tie in before any amalgamation could take place unless DFCSS agree to it of course which is unlikely. Only way to do that would be to dissolve Dundee FC. DABS are not in that same position so if the boards decided to go for it it's Dundee FC that would have to cease to exist - I don't believe the board has any intention of allowing that to happen.
    We should be exceedingly thankful that DFCSS can block an amalgamation between the two clubs otherwise there is nothing to stop FPS who own over 68% of the issued shares of Dundee Football Club Limited and Mike Martin who is the majority shareholder in Dundee United Football Company Limited agreeing to a merger of the two clubs.
    I cannot understand why the Takeover Panel have not investigated the purchase by Mike Martin who previously owned 200 shares in Dundee United Football Company Limited of Justine Mitchell’s 33% shareholding which took him over the 29.9% limit. At that point the Takeover Panel should have instructed Mike Martin to offer to purchase all the shares from the other Dundee United Football Company Limited shareholders at the same price per share as he paid Justine Mitchell for her shares.
    In my opinion this should have been carried out before Stephen Thompson sold his entire shareholding.
    Perhaps the Takeover Panel know nothing about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deeranged View Post
    Be careful what you wish for.

    I'd rather see Dundee FC as the only club in the city with the DABs out of existence. But I'd want that one club to be pure Dundee FC and competing in Premiership otherwise it's entirely pointless. Any amalgamation would end my interest in football in the city.

    Remember the DFC board would have to get out of the DFCSS tie in before any amalgamation could take place unless DFCSS agree to it of course which is unlikely. Only way to do that would be to dissolve Dundee FC. DABS are not in that same position so if the boards decided to go for it it's Dundee FC that would have to cease to exist - I don't believe the board has any intention of allowing that to happen.
    totally agree that I'd rather watch DFC in the championship than an amalgamated team in the SPFL. I was trying to say that there will be no benefit in terms of building numbers for an amalgamated team and using the past 30 years as an example. Aberdeen etc have got precisely nowhere.

    The idea for amalgamation needs vocal opposition whenever it is mooted. i think there are rational arguments why it won't work and just wanted to explain that nothing will change in Scotland whilst the OF have such a hold on the SFA and SPFL. As Rross says all it needs is for the two chairmen to think it is a good idea and they might be tempted to take the risk. What happens if 100% of the ST holders say they won't support the amalgamation. They won't have any supporters and I doubt if they are rich enough to run a football club with little or no income.

    I'm not putting too much faith in the DFCSS shareholding Islay. I think it would cost a lot of money to mount a legal challenge and there seems, as you have pointed out yourself, little or no interest from the authorities who, IMO, would only take action if someone went to court to enforce their rights.

    It's just handy to have threads like this which serve as warnings to football supporters that they need to be aware of the risks to their clubs. I don't know if our neighbours are worried that an amalgamation might happen but you would hope that they too would rather have their team to support than be part of an amalgamated team, which never forget will perform just as poorly as the single teams have done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCram View Post
    totally agree that I'd rather watch DFC in the championship than an amalgamated team in the SPFL. I was trying to say that there will be no benefit in terms of building numbers for an amalgamated team and using the past 30 years as an example. Aberdeen etc have got precisely nowhere.

    The idea for amalgamation needs vocal opposition whenever it is mooted. i think there are rational arguments why it won't work and just wanted to explain that nothing will change in Scotland whilst the OF have such a hold on the SFA and SPFL. As Rross says all it needs is for the two chairmen to think it is a good idea and they might be tempted to take the risk. What happens if 100% of the ST holders say they won't support the amalgamation. They won't have any supporters and I doubt if they are rich enough to run a football club with little or no income.

    I'm not putting too much faith in the DFCSS shareholding Islay. I think it would cost a lot of money to mount a legal challenge and there seems, as you have pointed out yourself, little or no interest from the authorities who, IMO, would only take action if someone went to court to enforce their rights.

    It's just handy to have threads like this which serve as warnings to football supporters that they need to be aware of the risks to their clubs. I don't know if our neighbours are worried that an amalgamation might happen but you would hope that they too would rather have their team to support than be part of an amalgamated team, which never forget will perform just as poorly as the single teams have done.
    We have people involved in both clubs now that really cudnt give much of a toss for supporters b cram. Deeranged comments since he left dfcss have only confirmed this view for me.

    No supporters but a profitable business maybe be an ideal situation for them.

    I think we as a support shud be asking far far more questions than we are doing.

    If this stadium does not go ahead (depending on who you listen to it either defo will or defo wont) without going all question of sport....what happens next?

    All the ingredients are there and I'd say the opposition to an amalgamation has waned slightly.....at both clubs.

    I once discussed this with a dab when Dundee were on the brink the 2nd time and he couldn't believe that I wud rather Dundee die rather than almalgamate or taken over. He agreed back then, now he'd almalgame and play at tannadice in a minute.

    My thought process was if they died they cud be resurrected again at some point in the future, if you almalgamate or absorbed...your gone forever.

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    Think the owners need to be really careful about taking fans for granted.

    I get the feeling that quite a lot of our fans are like me, and are still habitually going to watch Dundee out of nothing but blind loyalty and love of the club.

    Scrapping that to make a new team runs the risk of these fans like me just giving up and saying feck it, itís over, which I certainly would.

    I donít go to see A Dundee team just for enjoyment or expecting to challenge, I do it because Dundee FC are in my DNA.

    Iíd honestly prefer to watch a part time Dundee FC team in the bottom league.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee_Dee View Post
    Think the owners need to be really careful about taking fans for granted.

    I get the feeling that quite a lot of our fans are like me, and are still habitually going to watch Dundee out of nothing but blind loyalty and love of the club.

    Scrapping that to make a new team runs the risk of these fans like me just giving up and saying feck it, itís over, which I certainly would.

    I donít go to see A Dundee team just for enjoyment or expecting to challenge, I do it because Dundee FC are in my DNA.

    Iíd honestly prefer to watch a part time Dundee FC team in the bottom league.
    That's why this thread is important. we need to "speak truth to power" as the saying goes and let FPS know what we think. If all the ST holders are DEE supporters then no amount of soft soap will persuade them that even taking over our neighbours would be a sensible way forward. By saying nothing and letting the idea grow legs we are failing to support our club, IMO. It would be a disaster if the warnings that are being given on here were to be ignored.

    I think the important thing is to make sure that the business case is thoroughly examined and my view is that it will not be viable. FPS are rational business people, although they did buy a Scottish football club, and if the money doesn't add up with an amalgamated set up then they will be much more likely to work for an improved situation for DFC, IMO.

    It's a pity there are so few posters on this forum because it needs a widely based campaign to stop this worrying talk about amalgamation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCram View Post
    That's why this thread is important. we need to "speak truth to power" as the saying goes and let FPS know what we think. If all the ST holders are DEE supporters then no amount of soft soap will persuade them that even taking over our neighbours would be a sensible way forward. By saying nothing and letting the idea grow legs we are failing to support our club, IMO. It would be a disaster if the warnings that are being given on here were to be ignored.

    I think the important thing is to make sure that the business case is thoroughly examined and my view is that it will not be viable. FPS are rational business people, although they did buy a Scottish football club, and if the money doesn't add up with an amalgamated set up then they will be much more likely to work for an improved situation for DFC, IMO.

    It's a pity there are so few posters on this forum because it needs a widely based campaign to stop this worrying talk about amalgamation.
    Keep the Pravda penguins commentating on Pravda.

    Cease and desist.😁

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    Quote Originally Posted by Returnofrros View Post
    Keep the Pravda penguins commentating on Pravda.

    Cease and desist.��
    I can never guess what you are going to think of next!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCram View Post
    I can never guess what you are going to think of next!
    In my opinion we have to keep this Amalgamation topic going otherwise we will end up sleepwalking into a merger with the Dabs.
    FPS need to state in writing if their long term plan is an amalgamation of both ourselves and United.

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