O/T Frack me

[rolymiller]

There's a whole genre of writing on the phenomenon of the "environmental hypocrite". People like John Travolta who speaks out on the theme of "We all have to do our bit to combat global warming" while owning 5 private jets or Trudie Styler, hardline celeb environmentalist who recently flew her entire entourage from New York to Washington including her hair stylist.
As to Zouch's question the answer is NO ONE is going to show leadership on radical reform of how humanity works because the kind of people who might don't become leaders. Carlo Rovelli knows his onions and he reckons we're screwed and are probably in the last two or three generations of humanity. I don't have a problem with that.

Think Bono is another one of similar ilk. i'm sure there are plenty; some more guilty than others.

In a sense I dont have a problem with it either monty because me and thee will be long gone but if you have kids/ grandkids we have tp make a fist of it for for their sake. Not read the Rovelli stuff but if its owt like the James lovelock stuff I have read its pretty scary. So much so I stopped reading it.Lovelock thinks we are doomed anyway.In a way, for me, its poetic justice. We could have been a brilliant species but we blew it through greed and self interest and not being able to get on. .If any aliens were to wander by in a few hundred years time they would shake there heads/ tentacles etc and say what a complete waste of an intelligent species that was.

[great_fire]

What are we meant to do?

Get some pigs in the back garden and feed it to them?

[KerrAvon]

I should add that I particularly enjoyed I dont have a particularly materialistic lifestyle. Tell that to most of sub-Saharan Africa. You could show pictures of how small your two cars are to illustrate the point.

[rolymiller]

I should add that I particularly enjoyed I dont have a particularly materialistic lifestyle. Tell that to most of sub-Saharan Africa. You could show pictures of how small your two cars are to illustrate the point.

Reasonable. It could be that the poorest people in the world might get some sort of benefit from policies that tackle global warming. I hope so.

[KerrAvon]

Not if they are waiting for you to act

[rolymiller]

Not if they are waiting for you to act

Why do I get the idea you are trying to bait me mr kerr. Did you ger out of bed the wrong side or summat? I can't think that I have put owt on here to upset you recently. Maybe you want to get one last insult in before the horsemen ride.

I suspect by the way that my carbon footprint is a lot smaller than yours even if it is too big.

[millmoormagic]

Why do I get the idea you are trying to bait me mr kerr. Did you ger out of bed the wrong side or summat? I can't think that I have put owt on here to upset you recently. Maybe you want to get one last insult in before the horsemen ride.

I suspect by the way that my carbon footprint is a lot smaller than yours even if it is too big.

The amount of hot air he spouts mate there's no doubt about it, he's responsible for half the worlds carbon dioxide output...

[KerrAvon]

Why do I get the idea you are trying to bait me mr kerr. Did you ger out of bed the wrong side or summat? I can't think that I have put owt on here to upset you recently. Maybe you want to get one last insult in before the horsemen ride.

I suspect by the way that my carbon footprint is a lot smaller than yours even if it is too big.

Why do you get the idea that I'm trying to bait you? Because that's easier for you than actually dealing with what I'm posting would be my guess. What's yours?

If it's my turn to ask a question it would be: You say that you could easily give up meat, so why haven't you?

As far as I can see, your views on this subject are new variant socialism. In classic socialism, you would be all for the redistribution of wealth, but would have an explanation of why that doesn't apply to yours. In the new variant, you are all for addressing climate change as long as it doesn't impinge upon your meat consumption or affect your household ownership of only two small cars. That sort of nonsense is only for people you deem to be 'wealthy'. After all, you've done your bit by posting some nonsense about eating insects.

[rolymiller]

Kerr you appear to be very scared that the solution to environmental crisis is socialism. I'm afraid old boy that some sort of environmental socialism IS the only answer. Capitalism will not solve it and you know it. So all you righties out there take your medicine like men and accept it. In fact, even without a serious problem such as this socialism has always been the answer for a better fairer world. You are just in denial. If we do get out of this mess it will be down to socialist policies or at least variants of them. Capitalist policies will take us over the cliff. You know it and I know it but it is too bitter a pill for you to swallow.

[KerrAvon]

Kerr you appear to be very scared that the solution to environmental crisis is socialism. I'm afraid old boy that some sort of environmental socialism IS the only answer. Capitalism will not solve it and you know it. So all you righties out there take your medicine like men and accept it. In fact, even without a serious problem such as this socialism has always been the answer for a better fairer world. You are just in denial. If we do get out of this mess it will be down to socialist policies or at least variants of them. Capitalist policies will take us over the cliff. You know it and I know it but it is too bitter a pill for you to swallow.

What I'm scared of is the complacency of people who flaunt their belief in their own moral superiority with comments like :

'I suspect by the way that my carbon footprint is a lot smaller than yours even if it is too big.

and

I have a lot less to give up and am quite wiling to do it if it protects future generations. Whether I am living a minimalistic lifestyle or not now is an aside, the fact is I could live one in the future without much bother

whilst doing, on the face of it, diddly squat.

If you happily live without meat why aren't you doing so? At what point in our spiral towards catastrophic climate change are you planning to act?

Perhaps when you are sitting in Monty's bunker someone will ask what you did to try to stop the rot. Listing what you could have done 'without much bother' probably won't cut it. Nor will proclaiming that you used electricity to argue with gf and write drivel about becoming insectivorous.

Socialism is yet to be shown to be the answer to anything - ask the Venezuelans. If you mean that a solution will require increasingly autocratic government to curtail individual liberty and freedom of choice, you may be on to something. Maybe if people who could happily live without meat won't do so there needs to be an element of coercion. Is that what you have in mind?