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    @John,

    I haven't seen the film to which you refer, but the chap who wrote this has:

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/0..._electric_car/

    He's only a professor at De Montfort University rather than the real Leicester University though, so he may not know what he's talking about.

    Electric cars are a bit of a red herring. They may mean cleaner air in city centres, but the electricity has to be generated somewhere. The real problem with them, however, as I alluded to earlier, is that much more energy can be carried in petrol or diesel than in the equivalent weight of batteries, which means they may have value for local commutes, but not much else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rolymiller View Post
    Interesting article here about Capitalism and the environment

    https://www.theguardian.com/sustaina...m-tony-juniper

    The way forward is not through capitalism. Unfortunately for the world, it could be we realise this too late.
    A conference about climate change held in The Maldives. You couldn't make it up. I suppose all the delegates travelled there by solar powered boat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KerrAvon View Post
    @John,

    I haven't seen the film to which you refer, but the chap who wrote this has:

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/0..._electric_car/

    He's only a professor at De Montfort University rather than the real Leicester University though, so he may not know what he's talking about.

    Electric cars are a bit of a red herring. They may mean cleaner air in city centres, but the electricity has to be generated somewhere. The real problem with them, however, as I alluded to earlier, is that much more energy can be carried in petrol or diesel than in the equivalent weight of batteries, which means they may have value for local commutes, but not much else.
    Did you read the article you linked?

    I did, it's an opinion piece. It does not counter any of the objective facts I mentioned, just a vague opinion that the reason the electric car failed was actually because Americans in the 1990s were favouring bigger cars.

    What about the European market which had much smaller cars? The vast majority of 2 car household cars could easily have a car suited to local commutes - they represent the vast majority of journey types.

    Why wasn't Toyota allowed to use NIMH batteries? It's no conspiracy theory that an oil company owned the patents to NIMH battery power and prevented their use. I'll not be giving much weight to a nobody professor from De Montfort's opinion, you rightly point out it's not even the best university in Leicester.

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    Yes, I read it John. Did you? Where is the opinion in the figures given for the relative energy content of petrol versus battery?

    Are we really going to be reduced to mourning for a two seater car with a range of about 80 miles per charge? I won't be joining you in that. It was a rubbish product that didn't meet the needs of the market.

    What mileage do you do when you drive your diesel van to the Alps? Would an electric vehicle be a realistic option for that?

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    Mr Kerr: Ok smart arse indulge us, what is your effort towards preventing environmental catastrophe.



    .You criticise others but you don't say what you are doing yourself....I suspect not a lot but I'm willing to be proved wrong...It was interesting that you jumped on my air miles comment which immediately made me think that you use more than your fair share of air miles. I mentioned my 2 cars quite openly and honestly but you didn't mention yours just taking a swipe at my hypocrasy so I assume you dont drive one or in the case of air miles don't fly anywhere. I presume then you get the ferry then drive to the Swiss Alps for your regular skiing holidays.

    If I'm wrong then good on you but with the stuff you put on here arguing in the defence of materialism I would doubt it.
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    ...but don't panic too much kerr the socialists will never get at your possessions because you will go over the precipice with em.

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    Weird cos 10 years ago Kerr was your typical lefty SJW type.

    Loads of "whataboutery" when the news about those grooming gangs came out.

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    This story sums up the liberal left for me, virtue signalling to puff up their egos and stopping a rapist being deported.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-rapist.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by KerrAvon View Post
    Yes, I read it John. Did you? Where is the opinion in the figures given for the relative energy content of petrol versus battery?

    Are we really going to be reduced to mourning for a two seater car with a range of about 80 miles per charge? I won't be joining you in that. It was a rubbish product that didn't meet the needs of the market.

    What mileage do you do when you drive your diesel van to the Alps? Would an electric vehicle be a realistic option for that?
    The 80 miles figure was Tom Hanks referring to how much range he required, "Tom Hanks told the David Letterman show that a single charge for a range of 70-80 miles a day was all he needed personally"

    That was the first generation, the second generation but patent blocked NIMH batteries could achieve up to 160 miles range.

    Yes, petrol is more dense than any battery. That includes Lithium ion which is likely to replace petrol and diesel, so I fail to see the significance. It just means the weight carried for energy storage is heavier, though other aspects are lighter (no engine).

    A bit of a straw man to mention an 800 mile journey for a van, I'm not arguing that batteries were ready for all use cases, just that the technology was patented and blocked by an oil company where there were legitimate mass market use cases for it, I'm failing to see anything to suggest this is in any way not the case or a conspiracy.

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    CAM - sorry I got this wrong. So much for relying on second hand info.

    The smartphone stat includes the data end of the process (and not just charging the phone).

    This is quoted text from the article... 'If you worry about climate change and a cause celebre such as the expansion of Heathrow airport, it is worth considering that data centres are set to soon have a bigger carbon footprint than the entire aviation industry...'

    Also...'I was reminded of all this by the recently published book New Dark Age, by the British writer James Bridle. He cites a study in Japan that suggests that by 2030, the power requirements of digital services will outstrip the nation’s entire current generation capacity.'

    The article is worth reading.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...t-data-centres

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