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    I think this is interesting from the article about.....'He quotes an American report from 2013 – ironically enough, commissioned by coal industry lobbyists – that pointed out that using either a tablet or smartphone to wirelessly watch an hour of video a week used roughly the same amount of electricity (largely consumed at the data-centre end of the process) as two new domestic fridges.'

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    Another interesting quote. Was there someone on here into ******* recently....'He (James Bridle) mentions the vast amounts of electricity consumed by the operations of the online currency ******* – which, at the height of the speculative frenzies earlier this year, was set to produce an annual amount of carbon dioxide equivalent to 1m transatlantic flights.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by rolymiller View Post
    Reasonable points Monts and probably why we are up sh it creek. If it is true we need to be all singing off the same hymn sheet (which could be our last resort literally!) 12 years, if that is the magical number, is not a long time to rehearse properly. The lack of foresight you mention could also come back to haunt us. We should have been starting to tackle these problems when we first started noticing them maybe 30/ 40 years ago but as you say we chose to ignore them because it wasn't deemed as urgent and the here and now mattered most. The problem is even if we got together magically now even today with some sort of educated plan as a species to try and tackle the problem it could very well be too late. We can hope that the scientists are wrong of course and they are exaggerating the timescale of events but this can work 2 ways; it could be that they have underestimated how quickly this is going to happen as well. They are already saying the Earth's temperature is rising faster than they thought. It ain't good.

    In a way, I'm a bit pissed off because I will probably be gone before finding out what happens! Did Humans survive or didn't they? Its like watching a thrilling movie and missing the end because you have to dash to the bog! Still I might have an idea of the result if we are 4-0 down when I snuff if with 5 minutes left.
    That, if we are honest is exactly why Capitalism is genearlly successful, pandering to our basic instincts greed being probably at the top of the list
    Deregulation [a la Thatcher mantra ] can be held as one of the main reasons to encourage such instincts ,let the market decide etc

    Kerr demonstrates on a regular & frequent basis his love of such instincts but I'm sure he doesn't forget to drop a coin or two into those begging on the street [notice how their number increases daily in spite of his generousity]

    I think the answer is 42

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    Quote Originally Posted by rolymiller View Post
    Mr Kerr: Ok smart arse indulge us, what is your effort towards preventing environmental catastrophe.



    .You criticise others but you don't say what you are doing yourself....I suspect not a lot but I'm willing to be proved wrong...It was interesting that you jumped on my air miles comment which immediately made me think that you use more than your fair share of air miles. I mentioned my 2 cars quite openly and honestly but you didn't mention yours just taking a swipe at my hypocrasy so I assume you dont drive one or in the case of air miles don't fly anywhere. I presume then you get the ferry then drive to the Swiss Alps for your regular skiing holidays.

    If I'm wrong then good on you but with the stuff you put on here arguing in the defence of materialism I would doubt it.
    Like
    & spot on as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exiletyke View Post
    Like
    & spot on as well
    Roly fan club?

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    The electric car debate is a bit of a red herring with climate change. They are definitely a better option than ICE cars but there is far more energy that goes into the manufacturing of cars than the utility of them. Having said that we should electrify everything possible ready for renewable sources then it doesn't matter.
    This debate (which is fascinating and enjoyable to hear the range of views) has got a little stuck in the role of the individual. The answers to Climate change will only be addressed in systematic and radical changes. Electric cars need a common infrastructure so that a drive to the Alps is simple and an energy from renewable sources ditto any transport , an end of life plan for all inanimate objects and a waste recycling infrastructure to ensure all materials are recycled etc etc.
    in terms of politics and the role of individuals in afraid to say that we rely on both being void of vested interest alternatively a 3rd world war will sort this out quite quickly.
    i also think that the ideologies of capitalism and socialism are insufficient to deal with the global changes we face to today. After all they were devised a long time ago under a different context

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    Agree couldn't have an old style Marxist socialism which was based on industrialisation but think many socialist principles can still hold when dealing with environmental issues. Think capitalism should be ruled out because of its encouragement of materialism and self serving attitude. I don't say this to spite such as Kerr I genuinely don't think it is geared up to solving environmental problems.

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    If I can get our lass into me fan club I will have cracked it GM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rolymiller View Post
    If I can get our lass into me fan club I will have cracked it GM!
    Is it true roly that your club meetings are held in an old phone box?

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    Quote Originally Posted by monty_rhodes View Post
    Is it true roly that your club meetings are held in an old phone box?
    There is an elephant of truth in that Dear Monty!And when I put on a few pounds it can be hard to hold meetings.

    However, I have tried to lose a bit of weight recently so there is a bit of room for Mr. Kerr.
    Last edited by rolymiller; 14-10-2018 at 02:05 PM.

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