O/T Frack me

[KerrAvon]

Mr Kerr: Ok smart arse indulge us, what is your effort towards preventing environmental catastrophe.



.You criticise others but you don't say what you are doing yourself....I suspect not a lot but I'm willing to be proved wrong...It was interesting that you jumped on my air miles comment which immediately made me think that you use more than your fair share of air miles. I mentioned my 2 cars quite openly and honestly but you didn't mention yours just taking a swipe at my hypocrasy so I assume you dont drive one or in the case of air miles don't fly anywhere. I presume then you get the ferry then drive to the Swiss Alps for your regular skiing holidays.

If I'm wrong then good on you but with the stuff you put on here arguing in the defence of materialism I would doubt it.

This is an interesting post. I appear to have upset and annoyed you by doing little more than quoting from your own contributions to the thread. I have never called you a hypocrite or criticised you save, perhaps, for my comments about your apparent desire to eat insects.

Why should I detail what I do? I haven't claimed any form of virtue or moral superiority over others in the way that you have. It could have been nothing other than hubris that drove you to assert that you suspected that your 'carbon footprint' was smaller than mine - we don't know each other.

Does the Roly household still have a Sunday roast? What was it today? I'm guessing pork.

[rolymiller]

There is an elephant of truth in that Dear Monty!And when I put on a few pounds it can be hard to hold meetings.

However, I have tried to lose a bit of weight recently so there is a bit of room for Mr. Kerr.

Whoops looks like my slimming will be in vain!

Think the Mrs is doing Lasagne in answer to your question (beef not insect by the way) and you?

Don't have much pork to be honest dunno if that is better thing to have than Beef in terms of environmental protection. Genuine question, do you know? I don't. (Not trying to score points by the way).

Never said I was perfect. Who is? I think I do make quite a bit of effort to protect the environment with my lifestyle. Could I do more ?

Yes!

Some issues -like for example the meat argument- I was genuinely unaware of its impact on the environment and I suspect many are. I think this is another major issue that people need to be more educated on the products they consume. Maybe then they can make a better more informed choice. The stuff on mobile phones on here is very eye opening. Maybe produce we use ought to have some sort of warning on it like for example fag packets do only i n terms of damage to the environment rather than human bodies.

[KerrAvon]

The 80 miles figure was Tom Hanks referring to how much range he required, "Tom Hanks told the David Letterman show that a single charge for a range of 70-80 miles a day was all he needed personally"

That was the first generation, the second generation but patent blocked NIMH batteries could achieve up to 160 miles range.

Yes, petrol is more dense than any battery. That includes Lithium ion which is likely to replace petrol and diesel, so I fail to see the significance. It just means the weight carried for energy storage is heavier, though other aspects are lighter (no engine).

A bit of a straw man to mention an 800 mile journey for a van, I'm not arguing that batteries were ready for all use cases, just that the technology was patented and blocked by an oil company where there were legitimate mass market use cases for it, I'm failing to see anything to suggest this is in any way not the case or a conspiracy.

I'm on holiday at the moment and only have my phone with me, so you have something of an advantage. I see that the 1st generation of the car used lead/acid batteries and had a range of about 80 miles and the later NiMH version had the 160 to which you refer.

Whichever battery type, they still had to be charged up and a considerable amount (somewhere around 25% I believe) of that charging would achieve nothing more than lugging the battery around as they weighed over half a tonne. That's a lot of fossil fuel to be burned so that the drivers could feel worthy. That's the significance of the power to weight ratio.

It's hardly surprising that the car could only carry two people with no luggage. It's also no surprise that GM decided to, ahem, pull the plug on what could never have been a commercial success.

Conspiracy theories have never been my genre of choice, but I'll watch the film when I'm back from my hols.

There was nothing straw man in my post. I was making the point that electric vehicle technology doesn't meet the needs of anyone other than for a local commutes. Do electric car fetishists think we should all have two cars - one for short jaunts and one for longer trips? That would be good for the environment...

[KerrAvon]

Roly fan club?

Exile likes anyone who doesn't like me (I know it's hard to believe, but there is the odd one or two such people about). I think I upset him at some point in the past.

Roly finds himself in esteemed company. Exile popped up last year to call Kempo a 'good man' after the good doctor had become upset with me for one thing or another.

[KerrAvon]

Whoops looks like my slimming will be in vain!

Think the Mrs is doing Lasagne in answer to your question (beef not insect by the way) and you?

Don't have much pork to be honest dunno if that is better thing to have than Beef in terms of environmental protection. Genuine question, do you know? I don't. (Not trying to score points by the way).

Never said I was perfect. Who is? I think I do make quite a bit of effort to protect the environment with my lifestyle. Could I do more ?

Yes!

Some issues -like for example the meat argument- I am genuinely unaware of its impact on the environment and I suspect many are. I think this is another major issue that people need to be more educated on the products they consume. Maybe then they can make a better informed choice. The stuff on mobile phones is very eye opening. Maybe producs we use ought to have some sort of warning on them like for example fag packets do.

Beef and pork are both appalling, but beef is the worst.

The stuff about mobile phones isn't really about mobile phones. It's about the growth of streaming services. You can now screw the environment by watching YouTube, the BBC iPlayer and soft **** for electric car perverts.

[rolymiller]

...and no I don't fancy battered tarantula or fried locust, I just offered it as an option.

To be fair to you you do seem quite clued up on what damages the environment. Its something we all need to be and fast...I think the point is though we need to be told what the alternatives are.Eg pork and beef are bad for the environment chicken is better (if it is, I dunno).

[gm_gm]

If I can get our lass into me fan club I will have cracked it GM!

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[Exiletyke]

Exile likes anyone who doesn't like me (I know it's hard to believe, but there is the odd one or two such people about). I think I upset him at some point in the past.

Roly finds himself in esteemed company. Exile popped up last year to call Kempo a 'good man' after the good doctor had become upset with me for one thing or another.

"I think I upset him at some point in the past"

" had become upset with me for one thing or another"


How incredibly vague

But I will give you this Kerr .....I don't like you ...
Hope this removes any doubt you may be harbouring

[Exiletyke]

I said nothing about shareholders blocking solar battery. You're creating your argument against your own spun interpretation of what I said.

It's what he does............................with monotonous regularity

[KerrAvon]

Well I like you very much, Exile.

I'm sorry for being vague, but I really can't recall how I initially upset you. And let's be honest, you probably can't either given the number of feuds you tend to start.

As for Kempo, I used to really enjoy his posts, but upset him initially by correcting him on the terms of the Abortion Act of all things. Thereafter, he just wanted to pick fights with me. I can't recall what in particular had upset him when you weighed in to tell him that he was a 'good man'. I'd look it up, but I have a life.