What could we achieve realistically?

[Zippity]

If we didn't have our current absolute thundertwat of an owner, with reasonable investment over a few years, where do you think we'd sit?

Firstly, I think you'd have to count out the 'proper' big spenders, i.e. Man City, Man U, Chelsea and Liverpool.

After that, you're obviously looking at the two North London clubs. They're both big clubs with 60,000 seater stadiums, the advantage of their location in the Capital and have big-spending owners (albeit, because of the new stadium, Spurs spent nowt last Summer).

Then I think there are two clubs we could easily compete with-West Ham and Everton. With a decent owner I think those two are the ones who, initially, we should be rubbing shoulders with in terms of transfers in and aspirations. Much as clubs like, say, Bournemouth and Leicester, might put themselves on a par, I think all other things being equal, West Ham and Everton are bigger clubs. (yes, obviously Leicester won the League a couple of years ago and whilst that's obviously a high-point in their history, it's also a blip).

Going forward, you'd like to think that we could push on and worry Spurs? (I've always thought of Arsenal as a bigger club) if we were run properly and maximised our potential but beyond that?

Football has changed beyond recognition in the 2 decades since we were up there challenging and maybe even just the memory of that has made my hopes (above) unrealistic and whilst I believe that a Leicester-scenario could happen again sometime, it's unlikely that a team will regularly challenge the top 4 purely because of the insane amount of money they have-and are prepared to spend. Massive shame that that's the case and maybe they'll bugger off to a European super-league and even out the playing-field for the rest of us (but that's for another thread ).

Anyhoo, those are my Friday night pre-pint thoughts.

Yours?

[toonfalifekevbrown]

11 years of real investment and the club being ran properly we would be financially stable and a top 6 side just.

[Geordie_Exile_De]

11 years of real investment and the club being ran properly we would be financially stable and a top 6 side just.

^^^^ This ^^^^

[Jammy89]

11 years of real investment and the club being ran properly we would be financially stable and a top 6 side just.

Agreed.

Certainly top 8 and i think we'd be in Europe more often than not every few seasons.

[AP69]

Probably would of had a proper go at the cups with a few more European nights to enjoy basically a club we'd all enjoy and believe in

[Zippity]

Probably would of had a proper go at the cups with a few more European nights to enjoy basically a club we'd all enjoy and believe in

And that's all we ask, really. A club that tries and one we could be proud of.

[AP69]

And that's all we ask, really. A club that tries and one we could be proud of.

We have a mega rich owner

In a league awash with money

Full ground every other week

In the right hands that's top 6/8 all day

You know and so do a lot on here that when this place takes off there aren't many places to match it

Sadly it's never long term but those 4/5 years are magnificent

[ghostrider]

We will never compete until the game is made fair and is not set up for the elite clubs, with small tasters to whet the appetite of the rest by handing smaller teams a slice of the cake to ensure the rest go gungho in a belief that they can achieve something big.

[ex_pat_magpie]

We will never compete until the game is made fair and is not set up for the elite clubs, with small tasters to whet the appetite of the rest by handing smaller teams a slice of the cake to ensure the rest go gungho in a belief that they can achieve something big.

Explain how we regularly were up there before under KK and Sir Bob then.

No don't bother explaining, I'll tell you. Owners who loved the club and backed the manager. Simple as.