How to deal with awkward journalists

[sinkov]

Because, finally, we now the the details of the deal (or we can have if we wade through 585 pages of gobbledygook).

So now there can be no doubt what is on the table - lies and spin can be disproved.

So, especially as Parliament has reached an en passe, the people can be asked if they support the deal, or if it was what the voted for.

Some people will agree, some will disagree and some will have changed their minds (either way).

This is such a monumental decision that I think it essential that the people decide - especially as our politicians can't.

It was the vote in parliament I meant 59, if the deal can't be altered, and both major parties insist we are leaving the EU, then what can the vote achieve ? If they vote for the deal we end up worse off than if we had stayed in, if they don't, we go out without a deal. Neither outcome is what our parliamentarians want, nor is it what was intended when the Commons was given the right to have a 'meaningful vote' originally. Someone is taking the piss, not just out of us, but out of parliament as well.

As for the public voting on the deal, you want the future of our country to be decided by the opinion of 35 million people on a deal which none of them will have read, nor would understand even if they had the time or inclination to read it. Why not just toss a coin, it would be cheaper and quicker ?

[sinkov]

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May shouldn't get to jump the first hurdle - with a vote of No Confidence - ending with her shoving off - if there isn't, and she survives -then she/it will use it as a boost for the deal - but the more go against it/her the better....as it'll make it easier for it not to pass come the Meaningful Vote on the final deal....just as it should, because as it is, they've been found out....as proved by this poxy deal, - as with Skeksis May on tv a few days ago giving it " the people got the Brexit they wanted on immigration "....how long have they been harping that old snake eyed incantation - that, the best they could offer after over 2 years of pathetic guffing....not then going to mention what the people truly wanted and voted for ???....the return economic control...the return of a Government that is directly responsible forit's own decisions and is alone answerable to the people that voted for it - not some over inflated idea run by unelected tossers who believe themselves infalible because they've surrounded / protected / hidden themselves behind weak, greedy pissant Governments/Politicians/Mp's who can't honestly give a sh!t for the rights of their own people.... .
So there's the Con - the folk wanted the power to return home...they wanted their "Independence" and so the Cameron Cons jumped on it - took it for their own baby...but it was all a phooking illusion - probably from the beginning - just to exhaust the people, spread the fear and kill the Revolution....as being after the E.U - it was them we were going for next - just hope it still is !

From what I've heard today Norder, the DUP have had a bellyful of her, the supply side of the agreement is gone, if it comes to the confidence side, she's toast. The Tories seem to think the DUP will back down, rather than force an election that Corbyn will win. They won't, they care about Ulster, they don't give a FF about Corbyn, they've had to hold their noses and work with far worse than him in Stormont.

[sinkov]

"Forget the talk about parliament voting down the deal. The EU will not renegotiate any part of it that is important to its objectives and there is no appetite at Westminster for no deal. What is crucial is that the UK is not allowed to become an independent success outside the protectionist bureaucratic framework constructed In Brussels.
If Germany and France didn't fear that Brexit would result in a free, reinvigorated Britain that exposed the stagnant EU model daily to the envious gaze of the EU's remaining captive citizens, they would never have bothered with the backstop in the first place.
If they thought that a clean Brexit was doomed to failure, they would be greasing its path with faux tears of schadenfreude in expectation of the joyous vindication to come.
It was possible during the referendum campaign to take a principled position in favour of remaining or leaving. Whatever one thought then, it is not possible now to take a principled position in favour of the nationally crippling surrender that Mrs May is ramming past the political class with the ruthlessness of a German panzer general.
Her deal is a betrayal pure and simple of Britain and its future.
Everyone is agreed that the Tories will pay a savage price for this unprecedented treachery which sounds cathartic but misses the point that it will happen after the fact. By the time we get to vote, the irreversible betrayal will have happened and we will be prisoners of the EU with no prospect of parole."

[1959_60]

Morning Sinkov!

I agree with most of that, but I don't agree with conspiracy theories that they are all out to get us.

The EU negotiators first priority must be on the future of the union - not the well being of a state who is going to leave it.
That was our choice, not theirs.

But I reckon that most people, leavers and remainers, think that this deal is worse than actually staying in the EU.

When this deal is rejected then what do we do next? I am convinced that we will leave on March 29th without a deal - and not many support this.

So, having come to this position, what would you like to happen?

I honestly thing that the second referendum idea is the only viable option. Parliament will just go round and round in circles until March 29th because there is no consensus there.

[Altobelli]

So Spain and us have agreed a deal about Gibraltar ? I suppose we have given it to them, why not we are giving them everything else

And May's deal has now got to be agreed with the other 27 Countries ? Who the hell do they think they are kidding ? The other 27 Countries will abide with what Juncker and his other mugging mates agree with.

[Supersub6]

So Spain and us have agreed a deal about Gibraltar ? I suppose we have given it to them, why not we are giving them everything else

And May's deal has now got to be agreed with the other 27 Countries ? Who the hell do they think they are kidding ? The other 27 Countries will abide with what Juncker and his other mugging mates agree with.

We can be certain that what they do agree to will be in favour of the 27 states of the EU because that is where their priorities lie.