Kewell no longer manager

[MancMagpie]

I generally post in support of Alan Hardy but he's trying my patience with this call. There's no doubt that this seriously undermines his credibility from a football judgement perspective, no matter which way you look at it.

There were many raised eyebrows when he pursued Harry Kewell with such determination in the first place and many who will now say "told you so", but Alan ignored the sceptics and 'big upped' his chosen man, so it's frankly ridiculous to give him only ten weeks to prove his worth. If you're going to trust your own judgement, at least do it for a bit longer than this.

Kewell's record wasn't great, but put it this way, he won three more league games than Sam Allardyce in his first ten weeks as manager, so it's nonsense to write him off as a bad manager in that space of time. I was one of those who had some doubts about Kewell's appointment, and I was very disappointed with the last three or four performances, but not to the point of calling for his head at this stage. My feeling was that he needed to get a result against either Cheltenham or Morecambe and then we would see where things went from there.

If Alan Hardy isn't careful, he's going to wander blindly into Ray Trew territory, hiring and firing managers every few months to the point where people start saying (with some justification) that the real problem is the guy making the appointments. This will then lead to progressively more fractious relationships with supporters, accentuated when the owner is so open through social media, which can only further skew his judgement and eventually leave him as bitter and detached as Ray Trew ultimately became.

Alan needs to choose his next manager very carefully, and when he's picked him, he should get the hell off Twitter and whatever other social media he uses, batten down the hatches and give the guy a proper amount of time to do his job. If he's looking for guarantees of staying up, he won't find them through repeatedly changing managers. There are no guarantees. You need to make a decision and commit to it.

Given our history with managers before Hardy arrived, which seems to be continuing, we're beginning to look like one of those (strangely often Italian-owned) joke clubs who dismiss their managers every two months and get laughed at by everyone else.

Totally agree with everything in this post

[mark45]

I generally post in support of Alan Hardy but he's trying my patience with this call. There's no doubt that this seriously undermines his credibility from a football judgement perspective, no matter which way you look at it.

There were many raised eyebrows when he pursued Harry Kewell with such determination in the first place and many who will now say "told you so", but Alan ignored the sceptics and 'big upped' his chosen man, so it's frankly ridiculous to give him only ten weeks to prove his worth. If you're going to trust your own judgement, at least do it for a bit longer than this.

Kewell's record wasn't great, but put it this way, he won three more league games than Sam Allardyce in his first ten weeks as manager, so it's nonsense to write him off as a bad manager in that space of time. I was one of those who had some doubts about Kewell's appointment, and I was very disappointed with the last three or four performances, but not to the point of calling for his head at this stage. My feeling was that he needed to get a result against either Cheltenham or Morecambe and then we would see where things went from there.

If Alan Hardy isn't careful, he's going to wander blindly into Ray Trew territory, hiring and firing managers every few months to the point where people start saying (with some justification) that the real problem is the guy making the appointments. This will then lead to progressively more fractious relationships with supporters, accentuated when the owner is so open through social media, which can only further skew his judgement and eventually leave him as bitter and detached as Ray Trew ultimately became.

Alan needs to choose his next manager very carefully, and when he's picked him, he should get the hell off Twitter and whatever other social media he uses, batten down the hatches and give the guy a proper amount of time to do his job. If he's looking for guarantees of staying up, he won't find them through repeatedly changing managers. There are no guarantees. You need to make a decision and commit to it.

Given our history with managers before Hardy arrived, which seems to be continuing, we're beginning to look like one of those (strangely often Italian-owned) joke clubs who dismiss their managers every two months and get laughed at by everyone else.

Managers are not always sacked on results alone. Sometimes owners have to act for other reasons,such as losing the dressing room beyond repair,losing the support of fans beyond repair. Maybe the owner can see other things going on behind the scenes that fans don't. Always remember it costs owners alot of money to keep changing managers so it's not something they want to do if they dont' have to.

[jackal2]

Managers are not always sacked on results alone. Sometimes owners have to act for other reasons,such as losing the dressing room beyond repair,losing the support of fans beyond repair. Maybe the owner can see other things going on behind the scenes that fans don't. Always remember it costs owners alot of money to keep changing managers so it's not something they want to do if they dont' have to.

Alan Hardy has stated publicly that the decision was based on results and performances, but even if he's outright lying and there were internal reasons he had to act, it doesn't change the questions it raises about his judgement if things went that badly wrong in 10 weeks. And by the way, some of these players are getting very used to seeing off managers and hanging around themselves, so would you trust their feedback anyway? Who's to say Kewell wasn't trying to make the right changes and the players aren't the problem?

[Elite_Pie]

I generally post in support of Alan Hardy but he's trying my patience with this call. There's no doubt that this seriously undermines his credibility from a football judgement perspective, no matter which way you look at it.

There were many raised eyebrows when he pursued Harry Kewell with such determination in the first place and many who will now say "told you so", but Alan ignored the sceptics and 'big upped' his chosen man, so it's frankly ridiculous to give him only ten weeks to prove his worth. If you're going to trust your own judgement, at least do it for a bit longer than this.

Kewell's record wasn't great, but put it this way, he won three more league games than Sam Allardyce in his first ten weeks as manager, so it's nonsense to write him off as a bad manager in that space of time. I was one of those who had some doubts about Kewell's appointment, and I was very disappointed with the last three or four performances, but not to the point of calling for his head at this stage. My feeling was that he needed to get a result against either Cheltenham or Morecambe and then we would see where things went from there.

If Alan Hardy isn't careful, he's going to wander blindly into Ray Trew territory, hiring and firing managers every few months to the point where people start saying (with some justification) that the real problem is the guy making the appointments. This will then lead to progressively more fractious relationships with supporters, accentuated when the owner is so open through social media, which can only further skew his judgement and eventually leave him as bitter and detached as Ray Trew ultimately became.

Alan needs to choose his next manager very carefully, and when he's picked him, he should get the hell off Twitter and whatever other social media he uses, batten down the hatches and give the guy a proper amount of time to do his job. If he's looking for guarantees of staying up, he won't find them through repeatedly changing managers. There are no guarantees. You need to make a decision and commit to it.

Given our history with managers before Hardy arrived, which seems to be continuing, we're beginning to look like one of those (strangely often Italian-owned) joke clubs who dismiss their managers every two months and get laughed at by everyone else.

Excellent post jackal, can't argue with any of it.

Which as you all know, is very much against my nature!

[Frigiliana Pie 1]

I only just found out about this and I’ve got to say I’m more shocked by this sacking than any previous one I can think of. For heavens sake, when are Notts going to get a bit of stability and when is one of our managers going to be given sufficient time to build a successful team? Eleven games, or whatever it was Kewell had, is a ridiculously short period on which to judge a manager.

[jackal2]

Excellent post jackal, can't argue with any of it.

Which as you all know, is very much against my nature!

I'll take this as the ultimate compliment!

[Old_pie]

Given our history with managers before Hardy arrived, which seems to be continuing, we're beginning to look like one of those (strangely often Italian-owned) joke clubs who dismiss their managers every two months and get laughed at by everyone else.

Seems to work well for Watford.

[jackal2]

Seems to work well for Watford.

Ha! Yes that did cross my mind when I wrote that, and I suppose the current owner of Leeds united isn't doing too badly. Not so true of the previous Leeds owner though, or the guy who owned Leyton Orient. Both mad as a box of frogs!

[Davy500]

No actually Nolans starting record is streets ahead of HK

And Notts had lost 10 on the bounce when he took over

All managers have to sort things out when they arrive

Nolan starting record

14th Jan 2017- 6th May 2017

P 21 W 10 D 4 L 7 = 34 points from 21 games

HK

P 11 W 3 D 4 L 4 = 13 points from 11 games

[marky]

Are people seriously still defending Kewell he was given the job to get Notts much higher up the table near the promotion places you know as promotion was the target this season he failed miserably no wonder Notts are so crap all the time when you lot defend such awful managers.