O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[animallittle3]

Perhaps Farage and The Brexit Party should campaign for another by election in Peterborough given the closeness of the vote .

That's how it works these days isn't it ?

[WanChaiMiller]

Perhaps Farage and The Brexit Party should campaign for another by election in Peterborough given the closeness of the vote .

That's how it works these days isn't it ?

Farage was going to campaign for another referendum if the the vote was close in favour of remain - so why not.

[Exiletyke]

Farage was going to campaign for another referendum if the the vote was close in favour of remain - so why not.

Because it's not how democracy is supposed to work

[KerrAvon]

Just a couple of bits from the above link you might like to take notice of.

"Confidence among Europe’s steelmakers has been displayed by a string of investments, such as Voestalpine’s decision to build western Europe’s first specialist steelworks since at least the 1980s at a cost of up to €300m.

A helping hand in the industry’s turnround has come from the EU. Brussels has slapped tariffs on various forms of steel from outside the bloc judged to be dumped — meaning sold below home market prices or the costs of production — or illegally subsidised.

"Our 2018 outlook for the steel sector in Europe is stable on the back of expected growth in steel demand from the construction and auto industries,” says Gianmarco Migliavacca, senior credit officer at the rating agency. Mr Shillaker adds: “The global supply/demand balance is healthy with demand strong and constrained output keeping steel spreads high."

And most importantly.

"A final piece in the puzzle will be the outcome of long-awaited merger and acquisition deals in the European steel industry.

The theory is that fewer players in the market would result in more constrained supply, anchoring prices and so making imports less attractive for buyers."

I'm not sure where you are going with this, biggie.

You are quoting an article from the beginning of 2018 that suggests that steel manufacturers in the EU were finding going a bit easier and which says that was in part down to the EU imposing tariffs on dumped Chinese steel in order to protect the market. Are you saying that is an argument for leaving the EU?

[rolymiller]

Have you ever felt politically homeless Roly? coz I have & do
but the larger question of honouring what was promised looms large

Good question Exile. I do. I am certainly disillusioned with parliamentary democracy and capitalism. They plainly only work for the minority and not the majority. While leaning towards left wing politics I feel that there is a lot of dishonesty and hypocrisy there as well but I do believe there are some genuinely good lefties out there.

I think we need to have a sort of global democracy based on need not greed. How that would be achieved I don't know and I suspect that capitalism will finish us off first as a species and a visiting alien will land on the planet in years to come and. surveying the ruins and desolation, say why the feck did they base their political systems on unbridled capitalism stupid creatures.

[WanChaiMiller]

Just a couple of bits from the above link you might like to take notice of.

"Confidence among Europe’s steelmakers has been displayed by a string of investments, such as Voestalpine’s decision to build western Europe’s first specialist steelworks since at least the 1980s at a cost of up to €300m.

A helping hand in the industry’s turnround has come from the EU. Brussels has slapped tariffs on various forms of steel from outside the bloc judged to be dumped — meaning sold below home market prices or the costs of production — or illegally subsidised.

"Our 2018 outlook for the steel sector in Europe is stable on the back of expected growth in steel demand from the construction and auto industries,” says Gianmarco Migliavacca, senior credit officer at the rating agency. Mr Shillaker adds: “The global supply/demand balance is healthy with demand strong and constrained output keeping steel spreads high."

And most importantly.

"A final piece in the puzzle will be the outcome of long-awaited merger and acquisition deals in the European steel industry.

The theory is that fewer players in the market would result in more constrained supply, anchoring prices and so making imports less attractive for buyers."

Not sure how this supports your argument for us to leave the EU to trade under wto regs. EU steel is doing well in part due to tariffs on China imports. EU protectionism mean there will almost certainly be duty on our exports into the EU. We will find ourselves in the global market up against China with one hand tied behind our back.

[WanChaiMiller]

Because it's not how democracy is supposed to work

Lol. Exactly.

[KerrAvon]

Are you longing for the high environmental standards of the old Warsaw Pact countries, Roly? The mess they left behind is still being cleaned up. Have you been watching Chernobyl?

[rolymiller]

I think, by the way, we will have to honour the referendum result. Maybe we do need to jump in the swimming pool without our water wings. I'm just not sure we will climb out again spluttering and coughing on the side or even if we do we will be better off.

[rolymiller]

Are you longing for the high environmental standards of the old Warsaw Pact countries, Roly? The mess they left behind is still being cleaned up. Have you been watching Chernobyl?

Not seen it Kerr but you can't mess about with stuff like that without proper environmental safeguards where ever they are.Nuclear energy has a lot going for it environmentally but dealing with the waste products needs proper care.Mind you some might argue plastic waste poses just as serious threat to us all. It is shocking the amount of plastic waste their is even from people who do try to recycle etc.