O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[animallittle3]

And just who do you suggest should supply & present to the electorate the facts so that the said electorate would be in full possession
The current debacle [brought about by demonstrably incompetent politicians/civil servants] is so confused after almost 3 years of incompetence leaves us with much more information but not much extra wisdom, so who will you rely on to provide us with a balanced unbiased view as to what's the best course of action Politicians, Civil servants The BBC perhaps,ex Prime Ministers...........Who?
Facts seem to be dependent on who's relating them
So your solution is no more than a dose of the same rhetoric that we have been served over the past 3 years although on the face of it seems fine & dandy

A million signatures on a petition to attempt to revoke article 50 , apparently the website crashed and burned sometime late this afternoon .

Good stuff I think , only another 16 million to go then to give it any credibility .

[Exiletyke]

A million signatures on a petition to attempt to revoke article 50 , apparently the website crashed and burned sometime late this afternoon .

Good stuff I think , only another 16 million to go then to give it any credibility .

The leave camp should immediately start a leave petition, just for balance, you understand

[mellowmiller]

And just who do you suggest should supply & present to the electorate the facts so that the said electorate would be in full possession
The current debacle [brought about by demonstrably incompetent politicians/civil servants] is so confused after almost 3 years of incompetence leaves us with much more information but not much extra wisdom, so who will you rely on to provide us with a balanced unbiased view as to what's the best course of action Politicians, Civil servants The BBC perhaps,ex Prime Ministers...........Who?
Facts seem to be dependent on who's relating them
So your solution is no more than a dose of the same rhetoric that we have been served over the past 3 years although on the face of it seems fine & dandy

Perfectly put 👍

[John2]

And just who do you suggest should supply & present to the electorate the facts so that the said electorate would be in full possession
The current debacle [brought about by demonstrably incompetent politicians/civil servants] is so confused after almost 3 years of incompetence leaves us with much more information but not much extra wisdom, so who will you rely on to provide us with a balanced unbiased view as to what's the best course of action Politicians, Civil servants The BBC perhaps,ex Prime Ministers...........Who?
Facts seem to be dependent on who's relating them
So your solution is no more than a dose of the same rhetoric that we have been served over the past 3 years although on the face of it seems fine & dandy

No. We now have Theresa May's deal, a specific outcome that people can choose or reject with their eyes open rather than a blind unknown entity as last time.

[Shark27]

No it doesn't. That's your personal opinion. There are many leave voters who disagree with you and would like to remain in single market or customs union. That's the problem, leave ACTUALLY just means leaving the EU, there are infinite possible ways this can be done.

Everyone has their own personal idea of what leave means. This is why we are facing unprecedented constitutional crisis because politicians have genuine disagreement and represent electorates with very different and conflicting views.

The problem isn't that parliament doesn't reflect the will of the people, it's that the will of the people doesn't fit neatly into any conceivable legislation.

One of the MAIN arguments on the leave side was that we could make our own trade agreements with countries outside the EU. This would mean being outside of the customs union.

One of the MAIN arguments on the remain side was that we sell that much to the EU if we leave the customs union it would have a negative (or catrastophic as people like to say these days) impact.

It was said by the leave campaign that when we leave we would get a beneficial trade agreement with the EU due to the amount import from the EU. We haven't left yet.

To say no one knew that leaving the EU meant leaving the Customs Union is not correct. Everyone should have known if they were paying any attention.

[animallittle3]

No. We now have Theresa May's deal, a specific outcome that people can choose or reject with their eyes open rather than a blind unknown entity as last time.

You wouldn't be playing for extra time and penalties by any chance would you having lost the game 1-0 during 90 minutes ?

[John2]

One of the MAIN arguments on the leave side was that we could make our own trade agreements with countries outside the EU. This would mean being outside of the customs union.

One of the MAIN arguments on the remain side was that we sell that much to the EU if we leave the customs union it would have a negative (or catrastophic as people like to say these days) impact.

It was said by the leave campaign that when we leave we would get a beneficial trade agreement with the EU due to the amount import from the EU. We haven't left yet.

To say no one knew that leaving the EU meant leaving the Customs Union is not correct. Everyone should have known if they were paying any attention.

The MAIN takeaway is that lots of different and incompatible claims were made by many parties and everybody had their of different fantasy of what leave would look like including every politician.

You say everybody should have known we'd leave customs union, but we even had prominent leavers saying we'd stay in single market and even Farage saying things like we could aspire for a Norway like model:
https://youtu.be/0xGt3QmRSZY

Maybe its you who wasn't paying attention or only saw what you wanted to see.

[animallittle3]

The MAIN takeaway is that lots of different and incompatible claims were made by many parties and everybody had their of different fantasy of what leave would look like including every politician.

You say everybody should have known we'd leave customs union, but we even had prominent leavers saying we'd stay in single market and even Farage saying things like we could aspire for a Norway like model:
https://youtu.be/0xGt3QmRSZY

Maybe its you who wasn't paying attention or only saw what you wanted to see.

There won't be a revoke of article 50 , there won't be a second referendum , MV3 will be voted down on monday and I suspect MV4 on Thursday will be too .

Which leaves crashing out by default , this is now looking like reality .

The time for the could be's and maybe's are over .

Things are going to be rocky for a while but we will live , I've gone through hard times in the 80's , 90's , 2000 s and even fairly recently .

Things will eventually settle down and pick back up , it always does .

The EU isn't the be all and end all of this country , never was and never will be .

Fuq em .

[Shark27]

The MAIN takeaway is that lots of different and incompatible claims were made by many parties and everybody had their of different fantasy of what leave would look like including every politician.

You say everybody should have known we'd leave customs union, but we even had prominent leavers saying we'd stay in single market and even Farage saying things like we could aspire for a Norway like model:
https://youtu.be/0xGt3QmRSZY

Maybe its you who wasn't paying attention or only saw what you wanted to see.

So you're backing up you're argument with a massively edited Tube clip probably put together by a disgruntled remainder. And you really just said maybe i only saw what i wanted to see. LOL

Apologies if the video changed course after 10 seconds.

[John2]

So you're backing up you're argument with a massively edited Tube clip probably put together by a disgruntled remainder. And you really just said maybe i only saw what i wanted to see. LOL

Apologies if the video changed course after 10 seconds.

I'm backing up my argument with evidence, yes. I know you're probably not used to that in the leave world.