O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

The amazing thing is that she didn't know about the rule, her advisers didn't know about the rule and the Opposition didn't know about the rule.
An absolute disgrace the lot of them 😡

Even more disgraceful is that there isn’t an unbiased Speaker in the house.

Whatever election comes in the future a lot of people are going to think “what’s the point of voting” ?

[animallittle3]

Even more disgraceful is that there isn’t an unbiased Speaker in the house.

Whatever election comes in the future a lot of people are going to think “what’s the point of voting” ?

My thoughts exactly Grist , the political system is broken in this country and it's going to take something extraordinary to mend it .

That said even though I'm a leaver I think Bercow is a fine speaker and does a remarkable job keeping that collection of snakes , rats , democracy deniers , liars and self servers in their place .

[KerrAvon]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47614074

Well it looks like she can't pedal the same old rubbish now and bully people into voting for her same old idiotic version of brexit.

Looks like either we will come out with no deal on the 29th or get a long extension to sort it all out. I would think the short extension would be ruled out now cos we ain't got a plan B in sight.

It's not a significant problem for the government. If there were a majority in Parliament for the deal, that same majority could pass primary legislation to revoke the rule that Bercow is relying upon. The bigger problem for them is that it looks unlikely that there will be a majority for the deal.

The EU might well agree to a short extension for the UK to come up with new proposals or to prepare for no deal facilitated by a number of mini deals. A long extension is less likely both because the EU wants to move on and is not going to write a blank cheque and because it is questionable whether there would be a Parliamentary majority for one.

We are close to the point where Parliament is going to accept the reality of their previous decisions which make no deal the default position.

[KerrAvon]

The amazing thing is that she didn't know about the rule, her advisers didn't know about the rule and the Opposition didn't know about the rule.
An absolute disgrace the lot of them ��

It's not surprising given that the UK does not have a written constitution and relies, instead, upon a myriad of archaic conventions and unwritten rules. For all his attempt at face saving comments, Bercow didn't seem to know about the rule given that he allowed meaningful vote 2.

[KerrAvon]

Strange how in 1975 we had made all these preparations in case people voted to leave yet this time they'd made hardly any preparations at all.

Almost like they never intended to honour the vote should Leave win.

How much time and money do you think should have been spent before the referendum, given that there would be a minimum of two years between the vote and exit? And what preparations do you think could be made given that the EU would not be able to negotiate until Article 50 was triggered?

[KerrAvon]

My thoughts exactly Grist , the political system is broken in this country and it's going to take something extraordinary to mend it .

That said even though I'm a leaver I think Bercow is a fine speaker and does a remarkable job keeping that collection of snakes , rats , democracy deniers , liars and self servers in their place .

Given your support for the 1985 miners strike, it always makes me smile when you talk about democracy denying.

[great_fire]

How much time and money do you think should have been spent before the referendum, given that there would be a minimum of two years between the vote and exit? And what preparations do you think could be made given that the EU would not be able to negotiate until Article 50 was triggered?

You may have a point, back then it was just a customs unions and easier to leave.

Now we're deeply embedded in a European federal "project" and can't get out.

But those Remainers who think we're safer in the EU than out, we're not, another crisis like 2008 could finish the EU off, there's as many risks staying as there are leaving.

[Exiletyke]

Given your support for the 1985 miners strike, it always makes me smile when you talk about democracy denying.

Your obsession with Animal is quite disturbing
Don't you agree Wrinkly?

[Brin]

Mods, can we shut this 'political' thread down please.

[great_fire]

Mods, can we shut this 'political' thread down please.

Much as we may be sick of the subject we can't ignore it.