Originally Posted by
Trickytreesreds
Actually Sid you are quite correct.
What annoys me, is the way this country has been wrapped up in a web of ties/lies/deceit/red tape by numerous governments and MP's for various reasons.
Since 72/74 we have never once been allowed to say, this is what we want.
The arrogance of the likes of Brown over Lisbon was unbelievable and perfectly sums up how far politicians in this country have fallen.
Referendum rejected
Mr Miliband stood in for Mr Brown for the signing in the Portuguese capital.
Mr Brown has said there was no need for a referendum as the treaty was different from the constitution rejected by voters in France and the Netherlands in 2005.
The flags of the European Union fly outside Lisbon's 16th century Jeronimos Monastery.
The treaty has now been signed by all 27 members of the EU
But he told the Commons liaison committee there would be "more scope for Parliament to debate some of these issues than there has been in the past".
The UK will give up its veto in many policy areas as the EU introduces more qualified majority voting, but Mr Brown said the changes were in the country's interests.
"Some of them are minor and procedural and the other ones are in Britain's interest and if they are not we have usually got an opt-in or an opt-out to decide whether we wish to be part of it," Mr Brown told the committee.
So unravelling this lot, is going to be painful.
Either pain or just surrender and give in.
Rather like a cancer battle. I speak from experience, take the drugs and give in, or fight for your right not to be controlled.
I'll take the fight every time and the pain.