How did we end up like this?

[MAD_MAGPIE]

Well since we last got promoted in the Munto season (09/10) it comes down to one thing for me and that is the clubs famous revolving door. It’s ingrained into the fabric of the club and has been the only consistency in the past 8 years to the point we’ve now hit rock bottom.

In this decade we have been through;

2 Chairman
11 managers (soon to be 12)
211 players!!!!

This high turnover of staff simply has to stop before it costs us our league status. We must learn from this going forward. The club simply cannot carry on with this quantity over quality approach. The philosophy of the football club needs to change to one in which an identity is established as to the type of football team we want to be and the style we want to play and then go and get the type of player we want.

When you look at the list of 211 players it’s incredible that on average each season 26 new players have turned out for the club.

And we wonder why they look like a bunch of individuals. Because they never have enough time to become a team.

2010/11
Chairman - Ray Trew
Manager - (3) Craig Short, Paul Ince, Martin Allen
Players (36 players)
Rob Burch, Steven Darby, Connor Clifford, Mike Edwards, Graeme Lea, John Thompson, Kevin Smith, Ricky Ravenhill, Lee Hughes, Neal Bishop, Kevin McDonald, Krystian Pearce, Liam Chilvers, Karl Hawley, Lewis Goburn, Stuart Nelson, Luke Rogers, Alan Gow, Craig Westcarr, Jake Jervis, Dave Martin, Ben Davies, Alan Judge, Tom Ince, Carl Regan, John Spicer, John Harley, Ben Burgess, Sam Sodje, Lee Miller, Fabian Brandy, Micheal Woods, Ivan Sproule, Njogu Demba-Nyren, Jake Wholey, Luke Hubbins.

2011/12
Chairman - (1) Ray Trew
Manager - (2) Martin Allen, Keith Curle
Players (21 Players)
Julian Kelly, Alan Sheehan, Hamza Bencherif, Ishmel Demontagnac, Jeff Hughes, Jude Sterling, Johnathan Forte, Charlie Allen, Kieron Freeman, Hayden Hollis, Curtis Thompson, Dele Adebola, Gavin Mahon, Lloyd Sam, Fabian Spiess, Damion Stewart, Louis Harris, Nico Yennaris, Daniel Bogdanovic, Femi Orenuga, Cristian Montano

2012/13
Chairman - (1) Ray Trew
Manager - (2) Keith Curle, Chris Kiwomya
Players - (22)
Bartosz Bialkowski, Manny Smith, Dean Leacock, Gary Liddle, Enoch Showumni, Liam Mitchell, Francois Zoko, Yoann Arquin, Joss Labadie, Tyrell Waite, Jamal Campbell Ryce, Greg Tempest, Andre Boucard, Romello Nangle, Kyle Dixon, Kevin Pilkington, John Cofie, Jacob Blyth, Jordon Stewart, Tom Williams, Ashley Eastham, Chris Iwelumo.

2013/14
Chairman - (1) Ray Trew
Manager - (2) Chris Kiwomya, Shaun Derry
Players - (22)
Mustapha Dumbuya, Jack Grealish, Callum McGregor, Danny Hayes, Adam Coombes, Jimmy Spencer, Andy Haworth, Ronan Murray, Mark Fotheringham, Josh Vela, Jeremy Balmy, Gareth Roberts, Kyle Dixon, Callum Ball, Nathan Tyson, David Bell, Marcus Haber, Hayden Mullins, Kwesi Appiah, Enda Stevens, Jordon Holt, Morgan Fox.

2014/15
Chairman - (1) Ray Trew
Manager - (2) Shaun Derry, Ricardo Moniz
Players - (34)
Blair Adams, Alefe Santos, Balint Bajner, Colby Bishop, Reece Brown, Graham Burke, Roy Carroll, Jake Cassidy, Jordon Cranston, Billy Daniels, Adam Dawson, Ryan Hall, Shaun Harrod, Will Hayhurst, Zeli Ishmal, Gary Jones, Ceiron Keane, Louis Laing, Leroy Lita, Paddy McCourt, Taylor McKenzie, Stephen McLaughlin, Sean Newton, Liam Noble, Micheal Petrasso, Alan Smith, Kwame Thomas, Gary Thompson, Drissa Traore, Hayden White, Elliott Whitehouse, Jordan Williams, Kaiyne Woolery, Nicky Wroe.

2015/16
Chairman - (1) Ray Trew
Managers - (3) Ricardo Moniz, Jamie Fullarton, Mark Cooper
Players - (24)
Stanley Aborah, Mawuna Avemor, Wes Atkinson, Thierry Audell, Jason Banton, Jack Barmby, Scot Bennet, Adam Boyce, Adam Campbell, Kyle De Silva, Montell Gibson, Elliott Hewitt, Julian Jenner, Scott Loach, Gary McKenzie, Izale McLeod, Rob Milsom, Lartey Sarpong, Reece Sharpe, Genaro Snijders, Civard Sprockel, Jon Stead, Gill Swerts, Filip Valencic.

2016/17
Chairman - (2) Ray Trew, Alan Hardy
Manager - (2) John Sheridan, Kevin Nolan,
Players - (19)
Shola Ameobi, Marc Bola, Tahvon Campbell, Josh Clackstone, Adam Collin, Aaron Collins, Carl Dickinson, Richard Duffy, Montel Gibson, Jorge Grant, Alex Howes, Scott Loach, Micheal O’Connor, Vadaine Oliver, Sam Osborne, Jordan Richards, Alex Rodman, Matt Tootle, Mark Yeates.

2017/18
Chairman - (1) Alan Hardy
Manager - (1) Kevin Nolan
Players - (16)
Lewis Allesandra, Mason Bennet, Pierce Bird, Shaun Brisley, Ross Fitzsimons, Ben Hall, Terry Hawkridge, Elliott Hodge, Nicky Hunt, Noor Husin, Dan Jones, Branislav Pindroch, Callum Saunders, Matty Virtue-Thick, Liam Walker, Ryan Yates.

2018/19
Chairman - (1) Alan Hardy
Manager - (3) Kevin Nolan, Harry Kewell, TBC
Players - (17)
Christian Oxlade-Chamberlain, Elliott Ward, Keston Davies, Cedric Evina, Jamie Turley, Tyreece Kennedy-Williams, David Vaughan, Nathan Thomas, Andy Kellett, Will Patching, Tom Crawford, Kristian Dennis, Enzio Boldewijn, Kane Hemmings, Kion Etete, Declan Dunn, Remaye Campbell.

[ncfcog]

That’s a great post MM. I’ve been saying for a while now what we need is a blueprint for sustainability, not a five year plan for the Championship.

Our ship is powering towards the iceberg whilst taking on water at a phenomenal rate. We need a captain to steady the ship and unfortunately there currently isn’t one in sight, from the chairman, his board, his management team, his coaching staff or his players.

We need to have a massive clear out and make sure we bring in a manager we are prepared to give time to salvage this season, consolidate our league position next season and then build from there.

I do fear this next appointment could be last chance saloon for our great club.

[centenarypie]

If only we could identify with certainty how we have ended up in this situation. What is certain, is that Notts have no more right to escape non-league football than any other club. But how do we avoid it?
Actually it shouldn't be too difficult in theory, I reckon 28 games left to gather 34 points, 8 wins 10 draws and 10 defeats would do it.
The wins don't have to come now but the defeats definitely have to stop.
With a fan base as old as ours is, we tend to yearn for an "up and at 'em" approach, hence Turley's popularity with many fans, and in truth if we had 11 players giving everything they have for 90 minutes each week in this dire division then 34 points is eminently achievable.
Kewell was admonished for criticising the players, " he's lost the dressing room" is an often heard remark from ex-players.
Well F*** the players, if you can't be arsed to do the basics of your chosen profession, keep making the same mistakes and offer no fight then you should be criticised.
Mr Hardy needs to forget Ilkeston, kids football, Twitter, offers to rescue Skegness FC and any other irrelevant cause. His only focus should be to get his next appointment right.
It needs to be someone who is his own man with his own preferred way of playing that doesn't need to change week in week out, it has to be simple and capable of gaining us 34 points.
If Clough could turn a bag of S*** into two time European cup winners then surely someone can turn our bag of S*** into a modestly competent team and save us from humiliation.

[KCNotts]

Well since we last got promoted in the Munto season (09/10) it comes down to one thing for me and that is the clubs famous revolving door. It’s ingrained into the fabric of the club and has been the only consistency in the past 8 years to the point we’ve now hit rock bottom.

In this decade we have been through;

2 Chairman
11 managers (soon to be 12)
211 players!!!!

This high turnover of staff simply has to stop before it costs us our league status. We must learn from this going forward. The club simply cannot carry on with this quantity over quality approach. The philosophy of the football club needs to change to one in which an identity is established as to the type of football team we want to be and the style we want to play and then go and get the type of player we want.

When you look at the list of 211 players it’s incredible that on average each season 26 new players have turned out for the club.

And we wonder why they look like a bunch of individuals. Because they never have enough time to become a team.

2010/11
Chairman - Ray Trew
Manager - (3) Craig Short, Paul Ince, Martin Allen
Players (36 players)
Rob Burch, Steven Darby, Connor Clifford, Mike Edwards, Graeme Lea, John Thompson, Kevin Smith, Ricky Ravenhill, Lee Hughes, Neal Bishop, Kevin McDonald, Krystian Pearce, Liam Chilvers, Karl Hawley, Lewis Goburn, Stuart Nelson, Luke Rogers, Alan Gow, Craig Westcarr, Jake Jervis, Dave Martin, Ben Davies, Alan Judge, Tom Ince, Carl Regan, John Spicer, John Harley, Ben Burgess, Sam Sodje, Lee Miller, Fabian Brandy, Micheal Woods, Ivan Sproule, Njogu Demba-Nyren, Jake Wholey, Luke Hubbins.

2011/12
Chairman - (1) Ray Trew
Manager - (2) Martin Allen, Keith Curle
Players (21 Players)
Julian Kelly, Alan Sheehan, Hamza Bencherif, Ishmel Demontagnac, Jeff Hughes, Jude Sterling, Johnathan Forte, Charlie Allen, Kieron Freeman, Hayden Hollis, Curtis Thompson, Dele Adebola, Gavin Mahon, Lloyd Sam, Fabian Spiess, Damion Stewart, Louis Harris, Nico Yennaris, Daniel Bogdanovic, Femi Orenuga, Cristian Montano

2012/13
Chairman - (1) Ray Trew
Manager - (2) Keith Curle, Chris Kiwomya
Players - (22)
Bartosz Bialkowski, Manny Smith, Dean Leacock, Gary Liddle, Enoch Showumni, Liam Mitchell, Francois Zoko, Yoann Arquin, Joss Labadie, Tyrell Waite, Jamal Campbell Ryce, Greg Tempest, Andre Boucard, Romello Nangle, Kyle Dixon, Kevin Pilkington, John Cofie, Jacob Blyth, Jordon Stewart, Tom Williams, Ashley Eastham, Chris Iwelumo.

2013/14
Chairman - (1) Ray Trew
Manager - (2) Chris Kiwomya, Shaun Derry
Players - (22)
Mustapha Dumbuya, Jack Grealish, Callum McGregor, Danny Hayes, Adam Coombes, Jimmy Spencer, Andy Haworth, Ronan Murray, Mark Fotheringham, Josh Vela, Jeremy Balmy, Gareth Roberts, Kyle Dixon, Callum Ball, Nathan Tyson, David Bell, Marcus Haber, Hayden Mullins, Kwesi Appiah, Enda Stevens, Jordon Holt, Morgan Fox.

2014/15
Chairman - (1) Ray Trew
Manager - (2) Shaun Derry, Ricardo Moniz
Players - (34)
Blair Adams, Alefe Santos, Balint Bajner, Colby Bishop, Reece Brown, Graham Burke, Roy Carroll, Jake Cassidy, Jordon Cranston, Billy Daniels, Adam Dawson, Ryan Hall, Shaun Harrod, Will Hayhurst, Zeli Ishmal, Gary Jones, Ceiron Keane, Louis Laing, Leroy Lita, Paddy McCourt, Taylor McKenzie, Stephen McLaughlin, Sean Newton, Liam Noble, Micheal Petrasso, Alan Smith, Kwame Thomas, Gary Thompson, Drissa Traore, Hayden White, Elliott Whitehouse, Jordan Williams, Kaiyne Woolery, Nicky Wroe.

2015/16
Chairman - (1) Ray Trew
Managers - (3) Ricardo Moniz, Jamie Fullarton, Mark Cooper
Players - (24)
Stanley Aborah, Mawuna Avemor, Wes Atkinson, Thierry Audell, Jason Banton, Jack Barmby, Scot Bennet, Adam Boyce, Adam Campbell, Kyle De Silva, Montell Gibson, Elliott Hewitt, Julian Jenner, Scott Loach, Gary McKenzie, Izale McLeod, Rob Milsom, Lartey Sarpong, Reece Sharpe, Genaro Snijders, Civard Sprockel, Jon Stead, Gill Swerts, Filip Valencic.

2016/17
Chairman - (2) Ray Trew, Alan Hardy
Manager - (2) John Sheridan, Kevin Nolan,
Players - (19)
Shola Ameobi, Marc Bola, Tahvon Campbell, Josh Clackstone, Adam Collin, Aaron Collins, Carl Dickinson, Richard Duffy, Montel Gibson, Jorge Grant, Alex Howes, Scott Loach, Micheal O’Connor, Vadaine Oliver, Sam Osborne, Jordan Richards, Alex Rodman, Matt Tootle, Mark Yeates.

2017/18
Chairman - (1) Alan Hardy
Manager - (1) Kevin Nolan
Players - (16)
Lewis Allesandra, Mason Bennet, Pierce Bird, Shaun Brisley, Ross Fitzsimons, Ben Hall, Terry Hawkridge, Elliott Hodge, Nicky Hunt, Noor Husin, Dan Jones, Branislav Pindroch, Callum Saunders, Matty Virtue-Thick, Liam Walker, Ryan Yates.

2018/19
Chairman - (1) Alan Hardy
Manager - (3) Kevin Nolan, Harry Kewell, TBC
Players - (17)
Christian Oxlade-Chamberlain, Elliott Ward, Keston Davies, Cedric Evina, Jamie Turley, Tyreece Kennedy-Williams, David Vaughan, Nathan Thomas, Andy Kellett, Will Patching, Tom Crawford, Kristian Dennis, Enzio Boldewijn, Kane Hemmings, Kion Etete, Declan Dunn, Remaye Campbell.

One look at this super post reveals exactly where our problems lay: recruitment. Pure and simple. The amount of money that has been spent on wages for this absolute dross is outrageous. Look down that list of players, how many were a success?

Whoever has been responsible needs to hang their head in shame. Compare that list with Peterborough United over the last few years- (a club arguably smaller than Notts). Barry Fry would never have let this happen.

We have been a club run by amateurs for 20 years.

[gozzie321]

Completely agree with the OP, it would be interesting to compare these stats with Accrington Stanley on no money.

[durhampie]

If only we could identify with certainty how we have ended up in this situation. What is certain, is that Notts have no more right to escape non-league football than any other club. But how do we avoid it?
Actually it shouldn't be too difficult in theory, I reckon 28 games left to gather 34 points, 8 wins 10 draws and 10 defeats would do it.
The wins don't have to come now but the defeats definitely have to stop.
With a fan base as old as ours is, we tend to yearn for an "up and at 'em" approach, hence Turley's popularity with many fans, and in truth if we had 11 players giving everything they have for 90 minutes each week in this dire division then 34 points is eminently achievable.
Kewell was admonished for criticising the players, " he's lost the dressing room" is an often heard remark from ex-players.
Well F*** the players, if you can't be arsed to do the basics of your chosen profession, keep making the same mistakes and offer no fight then you should be criticised.
Mr Hardy needs to forget Ilkeston, kids football, Twitter, offers to rescue Skegness FC and any other irrelevant cause. His only focus should be to get his next appointment right.
It needs to be someone who is his own man with his own preferred way of playing that doesn't need to change week in week out, it has to be simple and capable of gaining us 34 points.
If Clough could turn a bag of S*** into two time European cup winners then surely someone can turn our bag of S*** into a modestly competent team and save us from humiliation.

Spot on, But none of those things will happen because our glorious owner is so far up his own ar*e.

[optipez]

Reading that list, thanks MM for the effort, really shows how many millions we've wasted. Chronic mismanagement of resources going on for years.
Looking at some of those squads with hindsight now, how did we ever expect to do well? No wonder the managers get turned over on a six monthly basis, the standard overall of players recruited has been garbage.

[Disturbed]

Reading that list, thanks MM for the effort, really shows how many millions we've wasted. Chronic mismanagement of resources going on for years.
Looking at some of those squads with hindsight now, how did we ever expect to do well? No wonder the managers get turned over on a six monthly basis, the standard overall of players recruited has been garbage.

I agree 100%. But this then asks the question if the manager is completely at fault, the coaching staff, the scouting, or do they all have equal amounts of blame attached to each one of them?
Looking at the squad now and the coaching staff, then a complete purge is needed and start afresh.

[Scanlon's Hatrick]

Reading that list, thanks MM for the effort, really shows how many millions we've wasted. Chronic mismanagement of resources going on for years.
Looking at some of those squads with hindsight now, how did we ever expect to do well? No wonder the managers get turned over on a six monthly basis, the standard overall of players recruited has been garbage.

Maybe a couple of seasons in the Conference is what the club needs - clear out all the dead wood and non jobs, start again with a clean slate and with people who have some passion and drive.
Short term (?) pain for long term gain.
The club is on life support and despite Mr Hardy's significant backing and well meant actions, needs a complete overhaul.

[jonnyt1]

I’ve come to the same conclusion as Scanlons Hat-trick.

Surely with a top 3 budget it cannot be that hard to put together a competitive squad, a blind donkey would have done better.

We all knew we had defensive frailties so what do we but bring in others from non league.

May Mr Hardys guilty of not interfering!