O/T:- Is Brexit a dead duck?

[magpie_mania]

Well its an interesting analogy.
I still don't think you've grasped the core of why folks voted out in the first place.
As for the stupid mistake comment. Do you deny that Heath "DUPED" the nation in the first place, by burying the truth of what we was signing up to?

He still didn't reveal it, when we was asked again in 1974, whether we wanted to stay in a "common market"
We have never been asked again since and been dragged along through the Lisbon agreement etc. So much for democracy.

Your contempt for Cameron giving that vote, is one of federalist perspective.
Sure Cameron didn't think he'd lose. But it goes to show, that the population has a voice and ignore it at your peril.
If May leaves us IN the EU, then that is the Conservatives done for 20 years.

I'm afraid to disagree with you. The ruling on unilateral withdrawal from article 50, is another EU ploy.
In fact it's laughable, that you can unilaterally STAY IN THE EU, but according to May's deal, you can't withdraw from any signed deal.

It shows more and more what a distasteful entity it really is.
From the moment Junker said, "get with the programme and do as you are told" was enough for me and millions of others.

From the moment Junker said, "get with the programme and do as you are told" was enough for me and millions of others

Can you show us where you get this quote from?

'Do as you are told' and 'get with the programme' bring nothing up on Google.

I would be very surprised if none of the press reported that.

[dam617]

I honestly could not give two sh!t's what Heath did or did not say in 1974 - we are where we are now and need to look at what is best for the UK. I have little doubt (and nor do the majority of MP's) that staying in the EU is better than crashing out with no deal or May's deal. The Leave side sold a fantasy world which was always undeliverable.

I imagine a second referendum will also show that outcome, even if no one has changed their minds the demographic of the country has changed since June 2016.

Demographic? Why don't you just say that the Leave vote would be diminished due to dead OAP's?
You wouldn't be the first, after all.

What would you like the ballot paper to have on it?

'On we go'

or

'We continue'.

It wouldn't be the first time etc. etc. etc......

[dam617]

Fact or opinion?

I had no idea you was a soothsayer

The Inconvenient Truth is that it's an opinion not a final ruling.

[2piesonmyshirt]

17+ million voted out
16+ million voted stay on
13+ million didn’t bother to vote
Whether you are for out or in - what would the result had been if those 13million had voted?

The whole thing is a farce because the whole thing wasn’t explained in the first place.

So realistically, whether you are an out or in, the only practical decision is to vote again, when full details are revealed, on “is this really what you want?”

[i961pie]

Demographic? Why don't you just say that the Leave vote would be diminished due to dead OAP's?
You wouldn't be the first, after all.

What would you like the ballot paper to have on it?

'On we go'

or

'We continue'.

It wouldn't be the first time etc. etc. etc......

And if the vote was not in university term time how many students would be bothered to turn out without the bullying and rallying cry from the hard core.

[i961pie]

If reports of the troubles in France are right, 130,000 protesters, 400+arrests, over 100 injured and 4 dead, I think it's pretty serious. Who knows if this unrest were to spread across Europe it could just be the catalyst to begin the collapse of the EU.

A new Nationalist party as sprung up in Spain and they apparently won 12 seats in the elections in Andalusia with the ruling Social workers party losing 14 seats. Europe is slowly turning to the right which is very scary.

[TheBlackHorse]

... Mapperley... you not as bright as you sometimes appear. The liar Heath sold us down the river for ever closer political union when all we wanted was a good trading relationship. Liar May is doing the same for The Establishment by way of a BRINO. Neither the corrupt EU nor the corrupt UK Establishment want 'no deal' so stand-by for late concessions ... by February.

[Ex_Southwell_Magpie]

The 13 million had the right to vote and chose not to, whilst over 70% did bother and the majority chose to leave the single market and customs union with no second referendum in accordance with Cameron's words at the time.

[BigFatPie]

... Mapperley... you not as bright as you sometimes appear. The liar Heath sold us down the river for ever closer political union when all we wanted was a good trading relationship. Liar May is doing the same for The Establishment by way of a BRINO. Neither the corrupt EU nor the corrupt UK Establishment want 'no deal' so stand-by for late concessions ... by February.

Who do you think tells the truth in politics?

[dam617]

17+ million voted out
16+ million voted stay on
13+ million didn’t bother to vote
Whether you are for out or in - what would the result had been if those 13million had voted?

The whole thing is a farce because the whole thing wasn’t explained in the first place.

So realistically, whether you are an out or in, the only practical decision is to vote again, when full details are revealed, on “is this really what you want?”

The whole thing wasn't explained?
You weren't listening you weren't at Glasto were you?