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Thread: O/T:- Is Brexit a dead duck?

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    A confidential analysis of the withdrawal agreement by the House of Commons’ own expert legal team comes to the same conclusion as President Trump – that Theresa May’s Brexit deal would prevent the UK from entering trade deals with countries such as the US ...

    The note – marked ‘not for general distribution’ and obtained by BrexitCentral – is dated 26th November and states that the UK-EU customs union which would come into effect if the backstop is triggered “would be a practical barrier to the UK entering separate trade agreements on goods with third countries”.

    This is in direct contradiction to the Prime Minister who has insisted that her deal will allow the UK to have an entirely independent trade policy. Indeed, she told the House of Commons just last Monday how “for the first time in 40 years, the UK will be able to strike new trade deals and open up new markets for our goods and services”.

    The legal note – titled The Withdrawal Agreement: Legal and Governance Aspects – also appears to suggest that the Prime Minister’s claim (also repeated last Monday) that her deal “takes back control of our laws” by ending “the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice in the UK” with “our laws being made in our Parliament, enforced by our courts” does not entirely stand up to scrutiny.

    From the Guardian just now....

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    Quote Originally Posted by downunderpie View Post
    A confidential analysis of the withdrawal agreement by the House of Commons’ own expert legal team comes to the same conclusion as President Trump – that Theresa May’s Brexit deal would prevent the UK from entering trade deals with countries such as the US ...

    The note – marked ‘not for general distribution’ and obtained by BrexitCentral – is dated 26th November and states that the UK-EU customs union which would come into effect if the backstop is triggered “would be a practical barrier to the UK entering separate trade agreements on goods with third countries”.

    This is in direct contradiction to the Prime Minister who has insisted that her deal will allow the UK to have an entirely independent trade policy. Indeed, she told the House of Commons just last Monday how “for the first time in 40 years, the UK will be able to strike new trade deals and open up new markets for our goods and services”.

    The legal note – titled The Withdrawal Agreement: Legal and Governance Aspects – also appears to suggest that the Prime Minister’s claim (also repeated last Monday) that her deal “takes back control of our laws” by ending “the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice in the UK” with “our laws being made in our Parliament, enforced by our courts” does not entirely stand up to scrutiny.

    From the Guardian just now....
    I would think the majority of both leavers and remainers hate May’s deal, partially for the reasons you’re talking about.

    The most interesting question is what happens next?

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    What I can't understand is why, when the country voted to leave, a remainder negotiates the terms.It seems to me whatever happens on the 11th, we will either have a second referendum or a general election will be called.Why is there never any problem when we get a government in power with less than 50% of the vote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sidders View Post
    My point was that you cannot use blanket terms on this one because you'll find many holes in your blanket.
    'Fleet Street' is also the Establishment and they banged the drum for Leave, but not quite all of them.
    Let's face it Syd if you put the fox in charge of the hen house this is what happens.

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    May a fox? Now you are extracting the urine...

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    Quote Originally Posted by forwardmagpie View Post
    Says Sid the voice of the establishment
    Who - moi? I'm a working class lad who just happens to live in Yarkshire, yoof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sidders View Post
    Who - moi? I'm a working class lad who just happens to live in Yarkshire, yoof.
    Just accept you are an establishment icon

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    Quote Originally Posted by sidders View Post
    May a fox? Now you are extracting the urine...
    Having the 2 most powerful politicians May and Hammond who happen to be staunch remainers in charge of brexit is why we are in this situation.
    Now that is extracting the urine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gozzie321 View Post
    What I can't understand is why, when the country voted to leave, a remainder negotiates the terms.
    The tory brexiters couldn't get a majority of MPs in 2016 and since then they've been happier to run away, hide behind her, do anything basically, except take responsibility. Then again, there's never been a snowball in hell's chance that parliament would pass their kamikaze-brexit.

    Anyway, this thing about her being a remainer is a red herring, she became one of the brexit crowd as soon as she started laying down her stupid red lines and only backed remain before to tow the line with the Cameron cabinet.
    Since then it's reality that has led to her **** deal not which way she voted in the ref. Hopefully, we're in the dying days of her premiership now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_anticlough View Post
    The tory brexiters couldn't get a majority of MPs in 2016 and since then they've been happier to run away, hide behind her, do anything basically, except take responsibility. Then again, there's never been a snowball in hell's chance that parliament would pass their kamikaze-brexit.

    Anyway, this thing about her being a remainer is a red herring, she became one of the brexit crowd as soon as she started laying down her stupid red lines and only backed remain before to tow the line with the Cameron cabinet.
    Since then it's reality that has led to her **** deal not which way she voted in the ref. Hopefully, we're in the dying days of her premiership now.
    As we can see from this thread, both Brexiters and the people who voted for it will never admit they were wrong. It’ll always be the fault of Remainers, or Mark Carney, or Corbyn, or the BBC(!) or the EU, or the courts or the “Establishment”.

    It’ll never be the fault of Davis who ran away, or Johnson who ran away, or Farage who ran away or Raab who ran away or Banks who was in regular contact with the Russian govt and then lied about it or Rees Mogg who can’t count. Or any other clown who promised the earth without a clue on how to deliver it.

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