O/T:- Is Brexit a dead duck?

[magpie_mania]

Listen to Nigel. He's correct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4YLdqLqZX4

Ah yes, Nigel.

The one who votes the least in the EU Parliament and I assume on principle has refused to receive his salary, allowances and pension?

Does he mention that he said that a 52 - 48 win by remain would mean it would be 'unfinished business'? No - those who dare say anything from remain are traitors against a democratic decision! Actually, he speaks of 'betrayal of the democratic decision' - so how does 'unfinished business' line up with that?

[Trickytreesreds]

Ah yes, Nigel.

The one who votes the least in the EU Parliament and I assume on principle has refused to receive his salary, allowances and pension?

Does he mention that he said that a 52 - 48 win by remain would mean it would be 'unfinished business'? No - those who dare say anything from remain are traitors against a democratic decision! Actually, he speaks of 'betrayal of the democratic decision' - so how does 'unfinished business' line up with that?

And what would you expect him to have done?
He isn't an MP, he couldn't work behind the scenes.
He's right in that the losing side would be kicking up a stink(sound familiar?)
But when you've got a remaining PM, surrounded by cronies ( Either Cameron or May), this would have been swept through forthwith under the phrase "once in a lifetime vote" .

So no, you're blowing smoke up everyone's ass, if you think it would be the same had the referendum gone the other way.
Cameron and folks like you thought remain would walk it. You was wrong.
I suggest you have a look around Europe. People are saying "enough" everywhere. Italy/France./Germany.
They are sick to death of the elite pushing everyone around and ignoring them.
The rich get richer and rest of us, well sod us.
The med region suffers awfully from young un employed. If this is socialism, you can stick it.

Listening to Blair this morning, just makes my resolve even harder. This from a man who lied and lied and lied. He caused the death of loads of British personnel in his phony war.

How can anyone take him seriously? If Blair wants to remain and screams for a second referendum, then that will do for me. I'm going the other way, from anything this cretin endorses.

We was lied to in 72, it's still going on.

OUT!!!!!!!!!

[drillerpie]

The rich get richer and rest of us, well sod us.
The med region suffers awfully from young un employed. If this is socialism, you can stick it.

Blimey, Comrade Tricky seems to have changed his mind about redistribution of wealth. I thought socialism was a dirty word for you.

Anyway no the EU is not really socialism, but you're the one who calls it the EUSSR.

[Trickytreesreds]

Blimey, Comrade Tricky seems to have changed his mind about redistribution of wealth. I thought socialism was a dirty word for you.

Anyway no the EU is not really socialism, but you're the one who calls it the EUSSR.

I do and still do.
Gorbachev called it a long time before I did.

Anyway, the usual body swerve goes on about my point. The little person has had enough. Sick to death of failed politicians telling us what to do.

70% of Labour constituencies voted leave. You don't hear that banded about much in the Labour party. I wonder why.
Kates right, they ALL don't want us to leave. It doesn't suit the agenda.
I predict a riot at some point. Macron is finding out now, what happens when you push too far. Thatcher found out, with the Pol tax riots.

Listen to a sensible Labour MP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS45-1CRtdM

[drillerpie]

I do and still do.
Gorbachev called it a long time before I did.

Anyway, the usual body swerve goes on about my point. The little person has had enough. Sick to death of failed politicians telling us what to do.

70% of Labour constituencies voted leave. You don't hear that banded about much in the Labour party. I wonder why.
Kates right, they ALL don't want us to leave. It doesn't suit the agenda.
I predict a riot at some point. Macron is finding out now, what happens when you push too far. Thatcher found out, with the Pol tax riots.

Listen to a sensible Labour MP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS45-1CRtdM

I don't understand. Is the EU too socialist for you or not socialist enough?

[frenchmagpie]

I do and still do.
Gorbachev called it a long time before I did.

Anyway, the usual body swerve goes on about my point. The little person has had enough. Sick to death of failed politicians telling us what to do.

70% of Labour constituencies voted leave. You don't hear that banded about much in the Labour party. I wonder why.
Kates right, they ALL don't want us to leave. It doesn't suit the agenda.
I predict a riot at some point. Macron is finding out now, what happens when you push too far. Thatcher found out, with the Pol tax riots.

Listen to a sensible Labour MP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS45-1CRtdM

You really do talk some absolute drivel. What have the French events to do with the EU ? Everyone I speak to here are aghast at what UK is doing apart from the usual far-right and far-left nutters.
Macron was elected as the new hope but mainly because the punters believed the spin (sound familiar ?). When his initial salvo of policies proved favourable to the rich with no bones thrown to the poorer voters things started to drift. Sat in his palace he lost touch with the mood and as they do, the French have given him a kicking. In a few weeks things will go back to how they were.
It's about time the sensible Brits got out on the streets and started telling your useless bunch of no-hopers what is expected from them. All your politicians are an absolute disgrace. When they talk about measures to alleviate the damage caused by a self-inflicted event as if recovering from a war the rest of the world looks on in disbelief.
Leaving the EU won't solve any problems. It will just put UK in the hands of a different bunch of chancers. At least in the EU you are in a club of chancers who can throw their weight around in the world.

[sidders]

Conflate! Conflate! Conflate!
So many posters on here conflate issues to the point that you don't know where one begins and another one ends.
I agree with Tricky 100% about people being sick of watching the rich get richer while they make do with even less of 'the pie'. I agree with Tricky that anything endorsed by Bliar becomes tainted. I agree with Tricky that Corbyn is not an effective or genuine leader of the Labour Party.
But then to lay so many of these troubles on the EU's doorstep?

[Notsohumblepie]

You really do talk some absolute drivel. What have the French events to do with the EU ? Everyone I speak to here are aghast at what UK is doing apart from the usual far-right and far-left nutters.
Macron was elected as the new hope but mainly because the punters believed the spin (sound familiar ?). When his initial salvo of policies proved favourable to the rich with no bones thrown to the poorer voters things started to drift. Sat in his palace he lost touch with the mood and as they do, the French have given him a kicking. In a few weeks things will go back to how they were.
It's about time the sensible Brits got out on the streets and started telling your useless bunch of no-hopers what is expected from them. All your politicians are an absolute disgrace. When they talk about measures to alleviate the damage caused by a self-inflicted event as if recovering from a war the rest of the world looks on in disbelief.
Leaving the EU won't solve any problems. It will just put UK in the hands of a different bunch of chancers. At least in the EU you are in a club of chancers who can throw their weight around in the world.

"What have the French events to do with the EU ?"

Everything !
They are a microcosm of the " little mans " perception of the indifference of the state , and in turn the arrogance of supra national institutions like the EU

[BigFatPie]

You really do talk some absolute drivel. What have the French events to do with the EU ? Everyone I speak to here are aghast at what UK is doing apart from the usual far-right and far-left nutters.
Macron was elected as the new hope but mainly because the punters believed the spin (sound familiar ?). When his initial salvo of policies proved favourable to the rich with no bones thrown to the poorer voters things started to drift. Sat in his palace he lost touch with the mood and as they do, the French have given him a kicking. In a few weeks things will go back to how they were.
It's about time the sensible Brits got out on the streets and started telling your useless bunch of no-hopers what is expected from them. All your politicians are an absolute disgrace. When they talk about measures to alleviate the damage caused by a self-inflicted event as if recovering from a war the rest of the world looks on in disbelief.
Leaving the EU won't solve any problems. It will just put UK in the hands of a different bunch of chancers. At least in the EU you are in a club of chancers who can throw their weight around in the world.

Agree, the UK is a laughing stock, and in many ways the public get the politicians they deserve. My own MP has had his job for over 30 years and there’s naff all evidence he’s done a damn thing with it. But he’ll be duly voted in again next time by zombies with pencils. Politicians on all sides are claiming to be acting in the national interest when it’s obvious they’re doing anything but.

It looks like May is going to try to run the clock down on her pathetic deal until there’ll be no choice but to take it.

[Notsohumblepie]

"zombies with pencils"


Is that another definition of lumpen proletariat? It seems to incorporate the same kind of sneer.