O/T The Worst PM In History

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We were told Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. We were told planes would fall out the sky on the first millennium day. We were told that it would be a disaster if we didn’t join the Euro. We were told that there would be instant recession, house price crash and thousands of jobs lost within weeks of voting to leave. Everything said was all BS so why should anyone trust the doomsayers now? What a lousy track record these experts have, they should all have a go on the WBA Prediction League.

[WBA123]

Brexit is only a nightmare because of the spiders web called the EU. There are so many tentacles wrapped around the countries in it that its virtually impossible to leave. Its like Hotel california. Plus we have all had to endure a glut for two years of people with lots of money and no interest in this country coining phrases like "Cliff edge", "catastrophe" with absolutely no basis whatsoever. Two years of biased TV interviews, like the select posh remainers in a Hotel and then a bunch of chavy tattoed louts in a PUB. Its been orchestrated from the word go. None of the remainers seem the to be the slightest bit interested in any of the threats from the EU or indeed their mantra of "every national state must be dismantled and submit to the EU cause"...voiced by Merkel and that other guy who's name escapes me. The distain is so bad you would wonder why they want us......oh wait....MONEY...Thats why they want us. The rich wont mind because when the MOT's get increasingly impossible to pass with an old car (Poor person) the rich folks will just splash out another 50,000 for a new motor. Its designed for the rich to make the rich richer. Job done.

Anyone else for Leavers to blame....? All I know is Leave campaigners promised the world, about how easy a deal would be, how much the EU needed us more than them, how we'd 'take back control'....

Just to let you into a little secret...Gove, Farage, Johnson etc. They all lied to you. They're still trying to weasel their way out of any responsibility right now.

Letting you into another secret, if we leave with no deal, it won't be the rich that will suffer. It will be the little people who will get shat on, as per usual. Now do you reckon all 17m voted for that...?

[boingy]

Anyone else for Leavers to blame....? All I know is Leave campaigners promised the world, about how easy a deal would be, how much the EU needed us more than them, how we'd 'take back control'....

Just to let you into a little secret...Gove, Farage, Johnson etc. They all lied to you. They're still trying to weasel their way out of any responsibility right now.

Letting you into another secret, if we leave with no deal, it won't be the rich that will suffer. It will be the little people who will get shat on, as per usual. Now do you reckon all 17m voted for that...?

What lies? Have you seen what the EU is planning for the future?
KNOWN OUTCOMES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN AGREED AS TRUE BY ALL SIDES:

1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.
2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s.
3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.
4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen the move is fully cancelled but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.
5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.
6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.
7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.
8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.
9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.
10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights
11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights
12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty
13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation
14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent
15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy
16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them
17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealth
18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.; Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar ect
19: The UK loses control of its judicial system
20: The UK loses control of its international policy
21: The UK loses full control of its national policy
22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.
23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program
24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction
25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty
26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020

PROBABLE WORST-CASE OUTCOMES

1: The UK will become nothing more than a vassal protectorate state
2: With the continuation of freedom of movement, the population of the UK will continue to grow at a rate higher than pre-referendum level ranging between 400,000 to 675,000 per annum.
2.1; Which will result in not just wage suppression but even wage depression.
2.2; More than 500,000 new homes to be built annually (We are currently only managing 125,000)
2.3; House prices and rents will skyrocket annually by 23%
2.4; Class sizes in schools would have to increase by 50% if not even double
2.5; The NHS will become solely an emergency service of care provider as they would no longer be able to cope with the numbers of people needing care other than those of emergency.
2.6; GP’s will become triage centres
2.7; Public transport will become permit holders use only
2.8; Only those that did a serious crime namely murder will be given a custodial sentence
2.9; The Court system becomes fully overrun to the point extreme cases only being heard and the rest being given an automatic fine
2.10; Emergency services collapsing for not being able to cope with the scale of things
2.11; Social care becoming solely private social care for those who can afford it.
2.12; Homelessness to increase by over 28% annually
2.13; Unemployment to increase annually by 37%
2.14; The Benefit system to collapse fully to the point of the return of soup ******** and even workhouse existence
2.15; Crime to increase by over 59% annually
2.16; Shanty towns to become the norm standard of housing
3: Because the UK would no longer be able to make its own trade deals, nor control its tariffs or quotas, Food prices would increase by over 25% and the cost of living would go up by over 39%
4: Because the UK would lose its oil and gas rights it would also lose the revenue from taxation on them, resulting in a loss of over 600 billion per year in taxation revenue
5: Because the UK will become a member state its percentage share of the vote on any new laws, regulations, treaties and everything else is at current member numbers 3.57% of the vote. That’s right folks the UK say in the EU if it was to remain a member is 3.57% total
Everything I have put thus far is just the very extreme tip of the iceberg that is ready to sink the UK if we remain a member of the EU.
Everything is verifiable by the sources I have already outlined above and is something the EU propaganda machine as well as our very own government are not telling you.
Remainers keep on bleating about that the people didn’t know all of the facts
If that’s the case then why are they failing to tell the people the downside or remaining a member of the EU.
ASK YOURSELVES THAT FACT AND FIND OUT THE TRUE HARD FACTS FOR YOURSELF

sourced from the public records of the UK Government, the EU Parliament, The Bank of England, the CBI, Migration watch, The Stock exchanges around the world, the IMF, and the UN.

[mickd1961]

What lies? Have you seen what the EU is planning for the future?
KNOWN OUTCOMES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN AGREED AS TRUE BY ALL SIDES:

1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.
2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s.
3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.
4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen the move is fully cancelled but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.
5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.
6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.
7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.
8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.
9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.
10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights
11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights
12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty
13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation
14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent
15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy
16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them
17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealth
18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.; Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar ect
19: The UK loses control of its judicial system
20: The UK loses control of its international policy
21: The UK loses full control of its national policy
22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.
23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program
24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction
25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty
26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020

PROBABLE WORST-CASE OUTCOMES

1: The UK will become nothing more than a vassal protectorate state
2: With the continuation of freedom of movement, the population of the UK will continue to grow at a rate higher than pre-referendum level ranging between 400,000 to 675,000 per annum.
2.1; Which will result in not just wage suppression but even wage depression.
2.2; More than 500,000 new homes to be built annually (We are currently only managing 125,000)
2.3; House prices and rents will skyrocket annually by 23%
2.4; Class sizes in schools would have to increase by 50% if not even double
2.5; The NHS will become solely an emergency service of care provider as they would no longer be able to cope with the numbers of people needing care other than those of emergency.
2.6; GP’s will become triage centres
2.7; Public transport will become permit holders use only
2.8; Only those that did a serious crime namely murder will be given a custodial sentence
2.9; The Court system becomes fully overrun to the point extreme cases only being heard and the rest being given an automatic fine
2.10; Emergency services collapsing for not being able to cope with the scale of things
2.11; Social care becoming solely private social care for those who can afford it.
2.12; Homelessness to increase by over 28% annually
2.13; Unemployment to increase annually by 37%
2.14; The Benefit system to collapse fully to the point of the return of soup ******** and even workhouse existence
2.15; Crime to increase by over 59% annually
2.16; Shanty towns to become the norm standard of housing
3: Because the UK would no longer be able to make its own trade deals, nor control its tariffs or quotas, Food prices would increase by over 25% and the cost of living would go up by over 39%
4: Because the UK would lose its oil and gas rights it would also lose the revenue from taxation on them, resulting in a loss of over 600 billion per year in taxation revenue
5: Because the UK will become a member state its percentage share of the vote on any new laws, regulations, treaties and everything else is at current member numbers 3.57% of the vote. That’s right folks the UK say in the EU if it was to remain a member is 3.57% total
Everything I have put thus far is just the very extreme tip of the iceberg that is ready to sink the UK if we remain a member of the EU.
Everything is verifiable by the sources I have already outlined above and is something the EU propaganda machine as well as our very own government are not telling you.
Remainers keep on bleating about that the people didn’t know all of the facts
If that’s the case then why are they failing to tell the people the downside or remaining a member of the EU.
ASK YOURSELVES THAT FACT AND FIND OUT THE TRUE HARD FACTS FOR YOURSELF

Thanks for this clarification Boingy,i had no idea just how bad things were going to become in th EU.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it Carolgees.

[WBA123]

And this is the problem, people are misinformed. None so more than you....

Where are you reading this information from, because its not on any impartial news sites.

I would hazard a guess its from pro brexit websites which peddle this kind of propaganda.

Please do feel free to offer supporting impartial news sources that back up this ludicrous information. If there was any shred of truth in it (Which there isn't) then I'm pretty sure I would have heard that lying, fish like creature Farage telling the world (Which he hasn't) and The Daily Express reporting it at every turn (They haven't).

Lets disect this,

Some EU policy fields require QMV (Quality Majority Vote) however the major policy changes require unanimous votes in the below categories;

- membership of the Union (opening of accession negotiations, association, serious violations of the Union's values, etc.);
- change the status of an overseas country or territory (OCT) to an outermost region (OMR) or vice versa.[28]
- taxation;
- the finances of the Union (own resources, the multiannual financial framework);
- harmonisation in the field of social security and social protection;
- certain provisions in the field of justice and home affairs (the European prosecutor, family law, operational police cooperation, etc.);
- the flexibility clause (352 TFEU) allowing the Union to act to achieve one of its objectives in the absence of a specific legal basis in the treaties;
- the common foreign and security policy, with the exception of certain clearly defined cases;
- the common security and defence policy, with the exception of the establishment of permanent structured cooperation;
- citizenship (the granting of new rights to European citizens, anti-discrimination measures);
- certain institutional issues (the electoral system and composition of the Parliament, certain appointments, the composition of the Committee of the Regions and the European Economic and Social Committee, the seats of the
institutions, the language regime, the revision of the treaties, including the bridging clauses, etc.).

I can not find any information regarding to member states losing their abstention vote in 2020. However the Treaty is to be modified to The Tallinn Treaty from 2020, perhaps this propaganda you are reading thinks it knows the private negotiations of a future trade deal...(which by the way, we can Veto whilst we are still a member)

Therefore, 1-3
False.

4. London and Frankfurt's stock exchanges are due to MERGE. Not 'Move to Frankfurt' so False
5. False
6. False
7-9
We are currently part of a union who will arrange trade deals, tariffs and quotas. Because we are stronger in this union. We ARE able to set our own tariffs if Brexit goes ahead. Which would make us poorer, in my opinion.

10 - Fishing accounts for 0.15% of our GDP. Are we to risk our whole economy for fishing rights....? Under EU law, we have EU areas for fishing. Which means France/Spain etc allow us to fish in their waters too. It is a mutual union.
11 - As per above. No logic in your argument.
12 - Fabrication
13 - Don't even know what this means
14 - Rubbish
15-25 Fabrication
26 - Finally, probably true. I can't be bothered to check. What I do know is we benefit more from being in the Single Market than we pay in EU contributions. £1.2b is 0.05% of our GDP, which is a drop in the ocean compared to the access of free trade to the largest trading bloc in the world.

Thereafter - Subjective arguments not based on any fact whatsoever. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that's as much PROJECT FEAR as I've seen anyone spout in the last 3 years...

The UK has a big say in shaping EU policy. Which isn't perfect and it never will be. Guess what - neither is Westminster....Should we 'Take back control' and have the West Midlands as its own state?

The EU is our partner, we have the largest trading bloc in the world sitting on our doorstep and we are about to make it harder to trade with them. WHY??? We actually need them a lot more than they need us - I think that's evident. We are an importing nation and a nation built largely on services and not manufacturing. Our large manufacturing sites we do have are mostly foreign owned and dependent on the Single Market.

Why are we doing this? So we can reclaim a tiny percentage of our GDP on fishing? Because The Daily Mail told you to vote Leave? Because you read pro Brexit propaganda? I still don't get it, we're about to make ourselves worse off, for no good reason. Still Brexiteers act like children and point fingers of blame others.

You wanted to leave the EU and its institutions, well May's deal does that... If Brexiteers aren't happy with that then a new referendum is needed.

You have been manipulated into believing this crap you are posting.

[Leicesterbaggie]

This is the problem. One side says one thing, the other side says another. The only true fact is, as a nation we voted to leave. Get on with it and Remainers, stop moaning!

[stripes39]

This is the problem. One side says one thing, the other side says another. The only true fact is, as a nation we voted to leave. Get on with it and Remainers, stop moaning!

Shouldn’t that be Remoaners?

[WBA1955]

The worst PM in History was Blair. All the troubles with terrorism and refugees is all down to him for starting an illegal war. Blair knew exactly what he was doing whereas May hasn't a clue what she is doing.

Cameron was arrogant enough to put the vote on Europe to the people, believing they would vote remain. He hadn't forseen people voting out. He had no plan B, so he buggered off. Theresa was left to pick up the pieces. She then had the arrogance to call an election believing she would walk it. She nearly lost it and had to get the Ulster Unionists in to save her job.
It shows how out of touch MP's are with the general public.
Thatcher sold off most of our industry and businesses to foreign investors, which is why the suits want to remain in. You sow the seed and reap the harvest.
Whatever your political party we are in a right mess, and i cringe to see her grovelling to European leaders. We are a laughing stock.
I didn't like Thatcher, but she would have told them to shove it.

[westcountryvillain]

The leave vote was a vote for change as a result of years of austerity, not brought about by the EU. The UK govt. instead of accepting the result of the referendum from day 1, set about fashioning a deal very late in the day that pleases no-one, the delay being because of persistent squabbling and perhaps a naivety of thought that 27 vs 1 was anything other than a walkover.

I fear it's now a game of poker as we head towards no-deal, which European business leaders do not want and will drive the 27 back to the negotiating table; along with the backdrop of the tories doing all they can to cling onto power. I've never known the nation to be so divided as it is now, and all the talk of "civil" unrest is worrying to say the least.

[boingy]

If you cant see what the EU is doing there really is no hope left for you. We didn't join as a people a controlling block we joined a trading zone. It is now working toward total control of countries within the EU. As one commissioner said "we don't take our mandate from the people" this mantra has now been adopted by remainers who now call for a "people's vote" which means the people who voted two years ago weren't the real people. Total insult. I was watching the EU decades ago long before this referendum. It has changed and should have NOTHING to do with each individual countries politics. If it was just a trading zone I would have no objection. After watching two years of sneaking snidely manipulative remained EU clones I have now washed my hands of the lot of them. Get to stay in the EU and in a short time you will all be squealing like pigs to get out. It will be too late.