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  1. #151
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deeranged View Post
    They should definitely tidy it up, total disgrace.

    I honestly can't remember the last time fans were asked to help clear ice and snow.
    You understand what I mean, most of us have done some form of tidying up, clearing weeds or snow or whatever. The distance between club and fans can also be reduced when the club asks for help and some community involvement. They need the fans onside and behind the team this season!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmac View Post
    You understand what I mean, most of us have done some form of tidying up, clearing weeds or snow or whatever. The distance between club and fans can also be reduced when the club asks for help and some community involvement. They need the fans onside and behind the team this season!
    Of course I understand, all we want to do (mostly) is help what we feel is our club.

    This BoD only want fan interaction when it suits them, on their terms and with people they choose. You mention the distance between fans and club, I'm 55 and have never known the club to be so out of touch with the fans' feelings - OK I rip it a bit about hoses on here and say I don't care but of course I do, as has been said before that one thing in isolation is nothing but it isn't only that one thing. Many fans feel alienated, when you start losing people like RRoS you know it's bad.

    If they bothered to listen they'd realise there's value to them in proper two way communication with customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaded View Post
    i will find out why the offer wasnt taken up tonight bcram.i do know however that roxburgh house were the benefactors of hours of volunteer work that dfc passed up on.basically painting and sprucing up in general
    here goes
    the request was passed on twice within dens no response
    he then emailed once again no reply
    now the guy had access to 352 staff members of which 81% used a minimum of 8hrs volunteering that year they were also fully insured liability wise and had access to business in the community to source specialist equiptment and resources if needed. plus funds for each event

    he gave up and his team went upto roxburgh house to spruce up the grounds and sheds and chairs etc
    now RROS can do the maths re missed hours of volunteers,

    thats what people are up against im afraid

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaded View Post
    here goes
    the request was passed on twice within dens no response
    he then emailed once again no reply
    now the guy had access to 352 staff members of which 81% used a minimum of 8hrs volunteering that year they were also fully insured liability wise and had access to business in the community to source specialist equiptment and resources if needed. plus funds for each event

    he gave up and his team went upto roxburgh house to spruce up the grounds and sheds and chairs etc
    now RROS can do the maths re missed hours of volunteers,

    thats what people are up against im afraid
    2,280.96 people hours.

    285.12 standard 8 hour shifts.

    57 weeks.

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    Was away to post something similar.

    It's enough to make you header a brick wall until the wall falls Doon or your head comes off.

    Can't even answer the enquiry...says it all for me....custodians of the club....****ing custodians of chaos.

    Absolutely no connection between fans and club, fans and players, players and the shirt, owners and fans and dare i say manager and fans even fans and fans the distance the home fans sit apart or like me in the house.

    ****ing desperate situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmac View Post
    You understand what I mean, most of us have done some form of tidying up, clearing weeds or snow or whatever. The distance between club and fans can also be reduced when the club asks for help and some community involvement. They need the fans onside and behind the team this season!
    Great to see you post hmac. Think the club still has not worked out how to reconnect with all the volunteers who worked so hard to get the club into a fan based ownership state and then the transition from that to FPS. I wasn't involved then but I'm sure you were. It's really depressing to read a lot of the comments on here. I'm not being critical but it is worrying that there is this "more in sadness than in anger" critical attitude towards the club. I think that the club just does not have anyone who can act as a consigliere for Keyes and Nelms. There still seems to be a gap between them and the fans which must be deliberate for it to be so consistent. It's really odd because I've heard JN speak and he's obviously a good communicator and an organised guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCram View Post
    Great to see you post hmac. Think the club still has not worked out how to reconnect with all the volunteers who worked so hard to get the club into a fan based ownership state and then the transition from that to FPS. I wasn't involved then but I'm sure you were. It's really depressing to read a lot of the comments on here. I'm not being critical but it is worrying that there is this "more in sadness than in anger" critical attitude towards the club. I think that the club just does not have anyone who can act as a consigliere for Keyes and Nelms. There still seems to be a gap between them and the fans which must be deliberate for it to be so consistent. It's really odd because I've heard JN speak and he's obviously a good communicator and an organised guy.
    I think the distance originally happened for a couple of reasons - firstly that they weren’t exactly welcomed with open arms by what was then seen as fans’ reps. In fact there was open hostility, and I suspect a little nervousness in the Scot Gardiner days as they would have been manipulated into a certain thought process by him.
    Secondly it was easy to be friendly and transparent on ‘sunny’ days like getting back to the SPL and staying there, relegating the neighbours etc. Dundee fans aren’t quite so easy to talk to when bottom of the league watching week after week of dross. In that situation they need someone around them to help talk to ‘ordinary’ Dundee fans.
    What they actually have is a bunch of people who are not exactly representative of the wider fan base, you see it in the DSA and DFCSS clearly that people have been put off being involved.
    The American owners have done all sorts of good things, succeeded early in getting out of the 1st Division (I’m old fashioned), supported managers (despite some dross), funded these moves, I really believe they want a new stadium, aside from the old steps they do spend money on Dens and the playing surface and they still fund annual losses.
    They appear to lack a local touch which is sad in a way as JN is a good communicator (albeit I disagree with him sometimes) and Tim Keyes is a really nice guy who wants to help and succeed.
    If I were them I’d get hold of a respected football man, someone whose been a Dee, just to help and do the right things. Someone like Jim Duffy, Barry Smith or similar. They could be the fans’ connection, working with supporters bodies to make it better before it’s too late and everyone’s found something else to do on a Saturday.
    As an aside a little, how do Kilmac feel on the fact they are a progressive construction company with a stadium named in their favour where the walls are falling over and derelict? Is it perhaps and angle they could help the community restore that area?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmac View Post
    I think the distance originally happened for a couple of reasons - firstly that they weren’t exactly welcomed with open arms by what was then seen as fans’ reps. In fact there was open hostility, and I suspect a little nervousness in the Scot Gardiner days as they would have been manipulated into a certain thought process by him.
    Secondly it was easy to be friendly and transparent on ‘sunny’ days like getting back to the SPL and staying there, relegating the neighbours etc. Dundee fans aren’t quite so easy to talk to when bottom of the league watching week after week of dross. In that situation they need someone around them to help talk to ‘ordinary’ Dundee fans.
    What they actually have is a bunch of people who are not exactly representative of the wider fan base, you see it in the DSA and DFCSS clearly that people have been put off being involved.
    The American owners have done all sorts of good things, succeeded early in getting out of the 1st Division (I’m old fashioned), supported managers (despite some dross), funded these moves, I really believe they want a new stadium, aside from the old steps they do spend money on Dens and the playing surface and they still fund annual losses.
    They appear to lack a local touch which is sad in a way as JN is a good communicator (albeit I disagree with him sometimes) and Tim Keyes is a really nice guy who wants to help and succeed.
    If I were them I’d get hold of a respected football man, someone whose been a Dee, just to help and do the right things. Someone like Jim Duffy, Barry Smith or similar. They could be the fans’ connection, working with supporters bodies to make it better before it’s too late and everyone’s found something else to do on a Saturday.
    As an aside a little, how do Kilmac feel on the fact they are a progressive construction company with a stadium named in their favour where the walls are falling over and derelict? Is it perhaps and angle they could help the community restore that area?
    alot of good points made there H

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmac View Post
    I think the distance originally happened for a couple of reasons - firstly that they weren’t exactly welcomed with open arms by what was then seen as fans’ reps. In fact there was open hostility, and I suspect a little nervousness in the Scot Gardiner days as they would have been manipulated into a certain thought process by him.
    Secondly it was easy to be friendly and transparent on ‘sunny’ days like getting back to the SPL and staying there, relegating the neighbours etc. Dundee fans aren’t quite so easy to talk to when bottom of the league watching week after week of dross. In that situation they need someone around them to help talk to ‘ordinary’ Dundee fans.
    What they actually have is a bunch of people who are not exactly representative of the wider fan base, you see it in the DSA and DFCSS clearly that people have been put off being involved.
    The American owners have done all sorts of good things, succeeded early in getting out of the 1st Division (I’m old fashioned), supported managers (despite some dross), funded these moves, I really believe they want a new stadium, aside from the old steps they do spend money on Dens and the playing surface and they still fund annual losses.
    They appear to lack a local touch which is sad in a way as JN is a good communicator (albeit I disagree with him sometimes) and Tim Keyes is a really nice guy who wants to help and succeed.
    If I were them I’d get hold of a respected football man, someone whose been a Dee, just to help and do the right things. Someone like Jim Duffy, Barry Smith or similar. They could be the fans’ connection, working with supporters bodies to make it better before it’s too late and everyone’s found something else to do on a Saturday.
    As an aside a little, how do Kilmac feel on the fact they are a progressive construction company with a stadium named in their favour where the walls are falling over and derelict? Is it perhaps and angle they could help the community restore that area?
    Thanks for the points made above. It would be interesting to learn how many supporters are part of the DSA. I think there are less than 200 paid up members of the DFCSS, so as you say it could be that the wider fan base needs something more than these two groups. It's an annual £5 to be a member of DFCSS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCram View Post
    Thanks for the points made above. It would be interesting to learn how many supporters are part of the DSA. I think there are less than 200 paid up members of the DFCSS, so as you say it could be that the wider fan base needs something more than these two groups. It's an annual £5 to be a member of DFCSS.
    The Dfcss agm is on Saturday at 11am in the Dundee Social Club in thistle street.
    After the AGM, there is a Q&A session.
    This will be the first time I have managed to attend the AGM, I always missed them when working away.

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