Theresa in a mess

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I love it, some Labour MPs are asking for "assurances" from a Tory PM. The last party who accepted assurances from a Tory government were the LibDems, look what happened to them.

Forget worrying about Corbyn and the Labour Party it should come as no surprise to anyone the Tories are a bunch of imbecilic hypocrites.
On Tuesday night, 118 Tory MPs went against Theresa May and voted down her botched Brexit deal in what was the biggest government defeat in history.
In December 2018, many of these Tory MPs also cast votes of no confidence in May's leadership of their party.
But last night, OMG these imbeciles suddenly saw the blue light and voted that they do really have confidence in the government’s ability to lead the country.
I call this hypocrisy on the grandest scale, or put another way, plain old bullsh-it!

[Supersub6]

Interesting watching the local news last night and seeing that two Sunderland Labour MPs have expressed the wish for a second referendum. Considering that Sunderland voted 61% in favour of leaving the EU, the locals are not impressed at all. Mind you, I suppose that, in the absence of Mister Corbyn giving any clear impression of how the Labour Party thinks, we can guess that Labour doesn't have any clear idea of how to progress, in other words, they are no better than those in power and just looking after their own interests. I do wonder just why these two ladies wan another referendum when they had such a clear mandate from the people of Sunderland as to the fact that they want to leave.
It all stinks!

[sinkov]

May almost certainly suffers from Dunning-Kruger syndrome: In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people of low ability have illusory superiority and mistakenly assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority comes from the inability of low-ability people to recognize their lack of ability. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability people cannot objectively evaluate their competence or incompetence.

I think we should just hang on for another couple of months and then re-assess BT. I still cannot believe she can be as cretinous as she appears. She is a Remainer, she is still PM, the Tories are still in power and her apparent 'incompetence' is making it looking increasingly unlikely that we will be leaving the EU on March 29th.

She refused to insist we talk trade with the EU alongside the WA, thus bringing the backstop into play, she then sidelined the Dept for Exiting the EU, and produced from thin air a WA so flawed that it had no chance of ever being voted through parliament, she has quite deliberately narrowed the options down until the only practicable ones left are going to be extend or revoke Article 50.

Maybe there's a good reason why she sits there, apparently unconcerned, as the storms break around her head. Just maybe it's all going to plan ?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Not another cunning plan sinkov...

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[1959_60]

BT, as a bloke who just wants to leave the EU without a deal, what do you think of Jeremy's plan?

Rule out no deal.
Customs union and, basically, in the single market.
Basically, free movement.
Repeated votes of no confidence
And when the votes of no confidence continue to be lost, possibly a second referendum.

I don't know about you, but I am failing to see any advantage whatever over our current position.

We would effectively still be in the EU but would have to obey their rules without any say in drawing them up.

From what you have been telling us you will be totally against his plan?

[1959_60]

I think we are all relieved that Theresa's plan was rejected.

If it hadn't been for Gina Miller then the plan would have been enacted by now and without any scrutiny at all.

People were saying that Gina Miller was a traitor and an enemy of the people.

In retrospect, don't you agree with me that we owe her a large debt of gratitude?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

BT, as a bloke who just wants to leave the EU without a deal, what do you think of Jeremy's plan?

Rule out no deal.
Customs union and, basically, in the single market.
Basically, free movement.
Repeated votes of no confidence
And when the votes of no confidence continue to be lost, possibly a second referendum.

I don't know about you, but I am failing to see any advantage whatever over our current position.

We would effectively still be in the EU but would have to obey their rules without any say in drawing them up.

From what you have been telling us you will be totally against his plan?

We are not kids in a toy shop we can't always have what we want.

Sinkov is great at trawling through old posts if he reads mine I have always wanted to LEAVE, but we need a degree of pragmatism too. Theresa May has always insisted on imposing her red lines, I said on here two years ago that she was either too thick or simply wanted a hard border in Ireland to scupper Brexit.

I have repeatedly said, we need to retain access to the single market, remain in the Customs Union and in a cry for humanity allow freedom of movement for ALL EU citizens.

The EU will not allow cherry picking, Theresa May insists on keeping her red lines, 29th March looms and the Blessed Theresa insists we will leave the EU on that day. Looks to me like a No Deal Brexit is nailed on.

[Norder]

I think we are all relieved that Theresa's plan was rejected.

If it hadn't been for Gina Miller then the plan would have been enacted by now and without any scrutiny at all.

People were saying that Gina Miller was a traitor and an enemy of the people.
In retrospect, don't you agree with me that we owe her a large debt of gratitude?

can look at it another way...without the Vote - would she (them) have even dared bring that crumb of a Deal to the table...I doubt it !....so was it actually her get-out-of-jail-free-card ?

[footy_le_bordel]

I think we are all relieved that Theresa's plan was rejected.

If it hadn't been for Gina Miller then the plan would have been enacted by now and without any scrutiny at all.

People were saying that Gina Miller was a traitor and an enemy of the people.

In retrospect, don't you agree with me that we owe her a large debt of gratitude?

gina miller's case gave parliament a vote on article 50, not the deal.

it was dominic grieve who forced the gvt's hand on a 'meaningful vote'.

[1959_60]

Yes, you are right Footy.

Even the Spectator is giving them credit.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/0...-of-gratitude/