Theresa in a mess

[1959_60]

If Theresa May's Brexit plan is rejected by MP's next Tuesday, which looks very likely, then she will have to come up with "Plan B" within just THREE days following a vote of MP's just now.

What on earth can Plan B be? Even if she and the EU wished to re-negotiate (which they don't) then three days wouldn't get very far.

Which means there can be no other deal to consider after the three days.

Which leaves...

A/. Peoples Vote. She has always rejected this but Parliament may vote for one.
B/. General Election. This would only happen if the Government lost a vote of no confidence in Parliament - which they won't. The DUP will continue to back her Government and no Tory will vote against.
C/. No deal, which the MP's effectively ruled out last evening.
D/. Extend Article 50 to allow for more chatting. But she has said repeatedly that "We are leaving the EU in March" and the EU will not re-open the deal anyway.

The Government and the country are now officially in a right old mess

Peoples Vote for me.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I cannot in my lifetime remember a more divisive political topic than this. I call it the Brexit Blues.

Replying to your post 1959_60 and in the mindset of someone just left of Josef Stalin, I think it undeniable an opinion prevails amongst the left-wing of the Labour Party that Brexit is fundamentally the brainchild of the far right and rabid capitalists.

Yet so many people within the Labour Party I talk to, voted LEAVE in order to take back control of our own decisions and wrestle power from the unelected European Union (as far as the UK is concerned) fat cat, bureaucrats. Controlling immigration was for many, not the single burning, most important issue.

Labour Party members tend not to endorse any racist project and do not abandon its core socialist values of international solidarity, equality and justice. So, why did so many Labour voters vote LEAVE?

The motor cavalcades, the obscene salaries and inflated pensions, the waste, the arrogance, the assumption of power and our continuous observance of ostentatious privilege emanating from Brussels is what swung the LEAVE vote for me. I believe that was the case for many others too.

Jeremy Corbyn has suggested on times without number; we LEAVE the European Union, the United Kingdom retains access to the Single Market, it keeps its membership of the Customs Union and allows the free movement of people from within the 27-member states of the EU.

What’s so complicated about that solution? Half-in, half out, so what? The countries of Europe are our neighbours and should remain our friends and allies. The people of the United Kingdom democratically elected to LEAVE the European Union. How can we possibly support a second referendum?

Personally, I’m going with the Corbyn option.

[1959_60]

I know for a fact that free movement of people was the deciding issue for many people BT. We only had to listen to reactions to Nigel Farages speeches during the referendum to realise that.

And i'm sorry, but Labour are all over the place on Brexit. But the vast majority of Labour members support a Peoples vote and would vote remain.
time for Labour to stop playing politics and get serious on this issue.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I know for a fact that free movement of people was the deciding issue for many people BT. We only had to listen to reactions to Nigel Farages speeches during the referendum to realise that.

And i'm sorry, but Labour are all over the place on Brexit. But the vast majority of Labour members support a Peoples vote and would vote remain.
time for Labour to stop playing politics and get serious on this issue.

Do NOT blame the opposition for this mess. The Conservatives dropped us right in it and have absolutely no idea how to get us out of the brown stuff.

Corbyn wants an election and he believes he can win it.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I know for a fact that free movement of people was the deciding issue for many people BT. We only had to listen to reactions to Nigel Farages speeches during the referendum to realise that.

Recent post vote analysis suggests that there were a multitude of factors in play. This country is not jam packed full of right wing racists thank God!

[Supersub6]

Oh goodie, goodie --let's have an election and then let Labour sort everything out.
The blind have been leading the blind up to now and their failure has seen the blind criticising the blind whilst the reality is that there is still nobody who has any idea what is going to happen in 79 days time.
An election will certainly sort it all out, meanwhile, back in Brussels, the Eurocrats will be laughing all the way to the bank once again.

This should have been dealt with when the result of the vote was known. We should have shown a united front, however, as usual, it has just been another vehicle for politicians to peddle their own agenda and this is why we are in the mess that we are in.

[sinkov]

I'm still not convinced Theresa is in a mess. She was/is a Remainer, and she has managed, apparently by incompetence but who knows, to narrow the options down to the Withdrawal Agreement, which effectively keeps us in the EU, or leaving and trading under WTO rules. As the majority for Remain in Parliament, the Establishment and the Media have the country kacking their pants quite unnecessarily about WTO terms, but kacking them nevertheless, she just has to sit tight, get some waffle from the EU about the backstop, and wait for MPs to cave in and vote for her Agreement. So she can claim we're out, while the EU still has us by the short and curlies, very clever. I'm sure that's the plan and it might just work.


My own preference is for leaving without an agreement, there is no other way to get this monkey off our backs. After the short term disruption we can plan for the future with some certainty, which is desperately required, and we'll be in charge of our own destiny. Every other option is just kicking the can down the road, the Brexit genie is out of the bottle and you'll never get it back in. Every other option will just condemn us to years more argument, dispute, and uncertainty, those 17.4 million people aren't going to go away, they will be heard no matter how long it takes.

As usual Billy Shakespeare had it right in Macbeth, get it over and done with, because it ain't going to go away.

"If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done quickly".

[ClaretinBudapest]

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." John F. Kennedy.
If these traitors manage to sabotage Brexit then it will end very badly.There is a lot of anger brewing among the 17.4m Brexiteeers.

[Norder]

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[The Bedlington Terrier]

Lol!