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    [QUOTE=Elite_Pie;39117554]Ask anyone on here, I always have an argument!

    Oh no you don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magpie_mania View Post
    Why was it a 'fib'?

    Was it ever said 'And that's the way it will remain for ever'?

    Surely everything changes and develops.

    In 1888 Notts County were one of the founder members of the Football League. But that grew to 92. Perhaps it should not have been allowed to change?
    MM, it was a fib!!!

    The deal was sold to the UK population on the basis of it's just a tariff free arrangement.
    Heath knew where it was leading and his words were, "the people will never accept that"
    So the truth was buried in the archives and only released under the 30 year rule. By which time they had calculated that we would be in so deep, there would be no escape. They was right, but under estimated the time scale. FACT!

    FCO30/ 1048 is the document. Look it up yourself, it's been mentioned here many times, but gets shoved to the side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Pie View Post
    Ask anyone on here, I always have an argument!

    If your point was that some politicians are only there to further their own interests, well, who would have thought it?

    You didn't answer my question on the fairest Brexit to represent the views of ALL constituents by the way.
    Fairest way?
    Life ain't fair for the losing side in a vote with two options - Cameron's £7000000 leaflet said we'd leave the Customs Union and Single Market.
    Despite Project Chicken Licken and the BBC Propaganda Corporation's best efforts more votes were to get out.
    The BBC are still at it and it's laughable. Blah blah blah, 'due to uncertainties over Brexit'. Yawn.

    Germany is in recession and needs a bail out, the whole corrupt edifice is doomed and if we end up footing the bill by 'soft Brexit' (no such thing) there will be consequences.

    You'll probably move to Spain though, you'll be ok.

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    The Brexit story so far by someone on the net:

    David Cameron made a promise he didn't think he'd have to keep to have a referendum he didn't think he would lose. Boris Johnson decided to back the side he didn't believe in because he didn't think it would win. Then Gove, who said he wouldn't run, did, and Boris who said he would run, said he wouldn't, and Theresa May who didn't vote for Brexit got the job of making it happen. She called the election she said she wouldn't and lost the majority David Cameron hadn't expected to win in the first place. She triggered Article 50 when we didn't need to and said we would talk about trade at the same time as the divorce deal and the EU said they wouldn't so we didn't. People thought she wouldn't get the divorce settled but she did, but only by agreeing to separate arrangements for Northern Ireland when she had promised the DUP she wouldn't. Then the Cabinet agreed a deal but they hadn't, and David Davis who was Brexit Secretary but wasn't said it wasn't what people had voted for and he couldn't support what he had just supported and left. Boris Johnson who hadn't left then wished that he had and did, but it was a bit late for that. Dominic Raab become the new Brexit secretary. People thought Theresa May wouldn't get a withdrawal agreement negotiated, but once she had they wished that she hadn't, because hardly anybody liked it whether they wanted to leave or not. Jacob Rees-Mogg kept threatening a vote of no confidence in her but not enough people were confident enough people would not have confidence in her to confidently call a no confidence vote. Dominic Raab said he hadn't really been Brexit Secretary either and resigned, and somebody else took the job but it probably isn't worth remembering who they are as they're not really doing the job either as Olly Robbins is. Then she said she would call a vote and didn't, that she wouldn't release some legal advice but had to, that she would get some concessions but didn't, and got cross that Juncker was calling her nebulous when he wasn't but probably should have been. At some point Jacob Rees Mogg and others called a vote of no confidence in her, which she won by promising to leave, so she can stay. But they said she had really lost it and should go, at the same time as saying that people who voted Leave knew what they were voting for which they couldn't possibly have because we still don't know now, and that we should leave the vote to Leave vote alone but have no confidence in the no confidence vote which won by more. The government also argued in court against us being able to say we didn't want to leave after all but it turned out we could. She named a date for the vote on her agreement which nobody expected to pass, while pretending that no deal which nobody wants is still possible (even though we know we can just say we are not leaving), and that we can't have a second referendum because having a democratic vote is undemocratic. And of course as expected she loses. Some people are talking about a managed no-deal which is not a deal but is not no-deal either.
    Thank goodness for strong and stable government."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dam617 View Post
    Fairest way?
    Life ain't fair for the losing side in a vote with two options.
    Right, so for you "politicians should represent their constituents by listening to the way they voted" actually means "politicians should represent their constituents by listening to the way they voted as long as they voted the same way as me, f#ck the rest of them".
    Exactly as I suspected.

    Quote Originally Posted by dam617 View Post
    You'll probably move to Spain though, you'll be ok.
    Don't know what gives you that idea, I have always said I love loving here and would never want to live anywhere else..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagpieTony View Post
    The Brexit story so far by someone on the net:

    David Cameron made a promise he didn't think he'd have to keep to have a referendum he didn't think he would lose. Boris Johnson decided to back the side he didn't believe in because he didn't think it would win. Then Gove, who said he wouldn't run, did, and Boris who said he would run, said he wouldn't, and Theresa May who didn't vote for Brexit got the job of making it happen. She called the election she said she wouldn't and lost the majority David Cameron hadn't expected to win in the first place. She triggered Article 50 when we didn't need to and said we would talk about trade at the same time as the divorce deal and the EU said they wouldn't so we didn't. People thought she wouldn't get the divorce settled but she did, but only by agreeing to separate arrangements for Northern Ireland when she had promised the DUP she wouldn't. Then the Cabinet agreed a deal but they hadn't, and David Davis who was Brexit Secretary but wasn't said it wasn't what people had voted for and he couldn't support what he had just supported and left. Boris Johnson who hadn't left then wished that he had and did, but it was a bit late for that. Dominic Raab become the new Brexit secretary. People thought Theresa May wouldn't get a withdrawal agreement negotiated, but once she had they wished that she hadn't, because hardly anybody liked it whether they wanted to leave or not. Jacob Rees-Mogg kept threatening a vote of no confidence in her but not enough people were confident enough people would not have confidence in her to confidently call a no confidence vote. Dominic Raab said he hadn't really been Brexit Secretary either and resigned, and somebody else took the job but it probably isn't worth remembering who they are as they're not really doing the job either as Olly Robbins is. Then she said she would call a vote and didn't, that she wouldn't release some legal advice but had to, that she would get some concessions but didn't, and got cross that Juncker was calling her nebulous when he wasn't but probably should have been. At some point Jacob Rees Mogg and others called a vote of no confidence in her, which she won by promising to leave, so she can stay. But they said she had really lost it and should go, at the same time as saying that people who voted Leave knew what they were voting for which they couldn't possibly have because we still don't know now, and that we should leave the vote to Leave vote alone but have no confidence in the no confidence vote which won by more. The government also argued in court against us being able to say we didn't want to leave after all but it turned out we could. She named a date for the vote on her agreement which nobody expected to pass, while pretending that no deal which nobody wants is still possible (even though we know we can just say we are not leaving), and that we can't have a second referendum because having a democratic vote is undemocratic. And of course as expected she loses. Some people are talking about a managed no-deal which is not a deal but is not no-deal either.
    Thank goodness for strong and stable government."
    Brilliantly sums up the complete and utter mess our parliament is in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thordardaughter View Post
    Brilliantly sums up the complete and utter mess our parliament is in.
    Totally agree,god help us if Corbyn ever gets near government, I am not a big fan of May but she leaves this Marxist piece of scum behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i961pie View Post
    Sorry it was probably the way I worded it. The £3 allowed all the far left socialist workers party members to infiltrate the Labour party
    It was £25 pounds to be a registered supporter when Owen 'Pfizer' Smith challenged him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drillerpie View Post
    Is a left wing Labour party electable though? The only time Labour has been really electable ( ie actually got elected ) in the past 40 years is by moving to the middle ground.
    And we got privatisation, PFI and wars. It's like getting into the Prem, wearing red shirts and calling ourselves Notts Forest (or New Notts).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoePass View Post
    Totally agree,god help us if Corbyn ever gets near government, I am not a big fan of May but she leaves this Marxist piece of scum behind.
    But you kissed Cameron's arse - remember your many "In Dave we trust" posts on here?

    You are to political debate what Jamie Fullarton was to Notts County management.

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