O/T Labour

[Trickytreesreds]

No, the hypocrisy is from you. Scotland voted 62% / 38% in favour of remaining, so in opposing Brexit the SNP are surely carrying out the democratic will of the people. You've been asking for that all along, yet suddenly it doesn't suit you!

Oh no you don't.
The Scots took part in a national referendum after having a local referendum.
The SNP manipulate every situation to resurrect that defeat in their favour.

So, no smarty pants, they aren't interested in Brexit, they want to use it to their advantage.7

[sidders]

Politicians with radical views often have to sacrifice their principles when they get to power because a lot of things are easier said than done. Look at Syriza in Greece or even Salvini in Italy.

Corbyn's problem is that he has gathered the votes of young idealistic voters who were disillusioned with mainstream politics (like Clegg did) but they are vehemently anti Brexit so anything that's not opposing Brexit or at least having a second referendum will alienate them.

Good post, Driller. I quite like you again.

[Trickytreesreds]

Get Grant and Walker round the table.
Sorry I’m being totally fecetious but I’m going crazy with all of this !
Is it only me who’s more worried about our league position than Brexit ? I’m trying to get my head around what’s right for the country and despite classing myself with a good level of intellect I really have no idea ?? Is there anyone out there with as much imapartiality as possible to explain ?

Don't understand you puzzlement TD?

You either have no problem with-
Being driven towards a superstate, controlled by Brussels and no recourse to reverse it

Or you want away from that, which may mean a cold hard break.

In 72 we was told we was joining a club of 9 nations who would do wonderful free trade among ourselves.
Seems that may mean to have been a little bit of a fib

[i961pie]

Politicians with radical views often have to sacrifice their principles when they get to power because a lot of things are easier said than done. Look at Syriza in Greece or even Salvini in Italy.

Corbyn's problem is that he has gathered the votes of young idealistic voters who were disillusioned with mainstream politics (like Clegg did) but they are vehemently anti Brexit so anything that's not opposing Brexit or at least having a second referendum will alienate them.

Thanks to Millibands £3 only membership fee to anyone he has also gathered many socialist workers party members that Kinnock spent years kicking out, which made Labour electable again. That is why Corbyn got elected their leader, plus with the help of Margaret Beckett who in the interests of democracy has she put it at the time gave Corbyn (at the last minute) the one vote he needed to stand for election.
A decision she's said since was a big mistake.

[Elite_Pie]

So, no smarty pants, they aren't interested in Brexit, they want to use it to their advantage.7

Really? Thanks for clearing that up, but I thought I was telling you that. I was asking why you thought they should support Brexit when the democratic will of their people was that they don't want it?

[Elite_Pie]

You either have no problem with-
Being driven towards a superstate, controlled by Brussels and no recourse to reverse it

Or you want away from that, which may mean a cold hard break.

A "cold, hard break"??? I don't recall that being mentioned back in June 2016. The vision the Leave campaign sold was a richer country with a much better funded NHS. The cold, hard bit must have slipped their minds!

[Trickytreesreds]

Really? Thanks for clearing that up, but I thought I was telling you that. I was asking why you thought they should support Brexit when the democratic will of their people was that they don't want it?

FGS, They have no desire for anything other than Scottish Independence. It wouldn't matter if a source of free energy was available for all. If it meant Scotland staying in the UK they would oppose it.

By your reckoning, the peoples republic of London will be next.
AN AREA OF THE UK VOTED REMAIN. The clue is there.
Scottish National Party. The clue is there.

Listen to her rubbing her hands together.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-says-sturgeon
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...mond-1-3541330

Take your time Sherlock

[BigFatPie]

Don't understand you puzzlement TD?

You either have no problem with-
Being driven towards a superstate, controlled by Brussels and no recourse to reverse it

Or you want away from that, which may mean a cold hard break.

In 72 we was told we was joining a club of 9 nations who would do wonderful free trade among ourselves.
Seems that may mean to have been a little bit of a fib

“...with as much impartiality as possible to explain”

[MagpieTony]

Corbyn was quite content to sit around the negotiating table with the likes of the IRA and Hamas but excludes himself from a collective which is discussing the future interest of Britain. His stance of removing 'No deal' from the negotiations is utter madness and shows his lack of competence as clearly as May's 'deal' showed hers.

As much as I dislike Gove his speech was brilliant yesterday and one of the few memorable things to come out of the debacle of the last two days.

[Trickytreesreds]

A "cold, hard break"??? I don't recall that being mentioned back in June 2016. The vision the Leave campaign sold was a richer country with a much better funded NHS. The cold, hard bit must have slipped their minds!

More manipulation.
Both are realities of what the situation MAY MEAN <<<<<<<<< DUH!

Cold/hard/break
Well from European conflict/3 million on the dole/House prices down 30%/each household 4.5k worse off/can't fly to Europe/Traffic backed up to Doncaster
How cold do you want it according to Cameron?

Your NHS bus jibe, is getting pathetic now. I'm beginning to think you must be the only person in the country that believes a sentence saying "lets give it to the NHS instead" is a promise?