o/t democracy is dead

[great_fire]

Why would a trade deal have to have free movement of people?

We import most of our stuff from China and haven't noticed millions of Chinese people turning up with the cheap clothes and electronic gadgets.

[great_fire]

I'm reluctant to get in the way of the bunfight over who is thick and who isn't, but can't let this post pass.

Brexit endangers jobs by increasing the cost of operating in the UK. You get that, but when someone points out that current Labour policies such as increasing corporate tax rates would have the same effect for the same reason it goes right over your head...

Bizarre.

Corbyn fans desperately need to watch this programme about Hugo Chavez:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0byvs08

Thousands of people starving and eating out of bins now because of policies like Corbyn's but those Tories and their food banks eh?

[millmoormagic]

I'm reluctant to get in the way of the bunfight over who is thick and who isn't, but can't let this post pass.

Brexit endangers jobs by increasing the cost of operating in the UK. You get that, but when someone points out that current Labour policies such as increasing corporate tax rates would have the same effect for the same reason it goes right over your head...

Bizarre.

Nope, it doesn't go over my head at all, but you're conflating again, they're two entirely different topics with entirely different arguments for both, get back in yer box son...

[millmoormagic]

Why would a trade deal have to have free movement of people?

We import most of our stuff from China and haven't noticed millions of Chinese people turning up with the cheap clothes and electronic gadgets.

Because the EU demand it, no free movement, no deal, it's not hard is it....

As for the imports, once again you're talking tripe...see link...

https://www.ons.gov.uk/businessindus...ith/2017-02-21

[great_fire]

OK then, we import a lot of stuff from China and haven't had to import their people as well.

The EU share of world trade has been dropping for about 20 years.

You should also watch that Hugo Chavez doc to see what you're wishing on us.

[John2]

I'm reluctant to get in the way of the bunfight over who is thick and who isn't, but can't let this post pass.

Brexit endangers jobs by increasing the cost of operating in the UK. You get that, but when someone points out that current Labour policies such as increasing corporate tax rates would have the same effect for the same reason it goes right over your head...

Bizarre.

That's not a fair comparison at all.

Corporation tax is levied only on profits. It will only affect how much the owners of profitable businesses take home or reinvest (depending how into trickle down economics you are, the evidence is weak). The number of businesses for whom it is worthwhile to shift their operation overseas purely to avoid a rise in corporation tax is negligible.

The impact of a weak pound and expensive imports and all the other will be much stronger and felt by ALL businesses and likely could put many under (admittedly as well as benefiting some). Increasing corporate tax isn't going to have the same negative impact.

[WanChaiMiller]

I'm reluctant to get in the way of the bunfight over who is thick and who isn't, but can't let this post pass.

Brexit endangers jobs by increasing the cost of operating in the UK. You get that, but when someone points out that current Labour policies such as increasing corporate tax rates would have the same effect for the same reason it goes right over your head...

Bizarre.

Dont want to intervene in your ongoing dispute. However, they are 2 different costs. Corp Tax is a tax on profit. Increased costs for UK companies importing from EU under WTO regs is a rise in operating costs and will have a big hit on cash flow.

[millmoormagic]

That's not a fair comparison at all.

Corporation tax is levied only on profits. It will only affect how much the owners of profitable businesses take home or reinvest (depending how into trickle down economics you are, the evidence is weak). The number of businesses for whom it is worthwhile to shift their operation overseas purely to avoid a rise in corporation tax is negligible.

The impact of a weak pound and expensive imports and all the other will be much stronger and felt by ALL businesses and likely could put many under (admittedly as well as benefiting some). Increasing corporate tax isn't going to have the same negative impact.

Bizarre Kerr isn't it...

[millmoormagic]

Dont want to intervene in your ongoing dispute. However, they are 2 different costs. Corp Tax is a tax on profit. Increased costs for UK companies importing from EU under WTO regs is a rise in operating costs and will have a big hit on cash flow.

Bizarre Kerr, isn't it....

[sawmiller]

The right age young people. Being of good health. Having a skill. Having a job to come too. Being able to speak the language good enough to communicate.whats wrong with that.. Ps and I don't mind the colour of someone's skin

Being able to speak the language - well that's so very many British Ex-Pats packing their bags then