o/t democracy is dead

[crashbang]

Yes but there are probably many more cases of murderers being released and committing murders again.

Err what happened to the op.

[John2]

Pure demographic changes mean that if not a single person changed their vote and different age groups voted exactly as they did at the referendum, remain would now win.

There is no mandate for a hard Brexit, or arguably even now soft Brexit.

If we have a hard Brexit without the people having a say democracy is dead I agree.

The problem with our democracy at the moment is that it has been tasked with delivering the undeliverable... there is no consensus on that Brexit should look like, and no way of reflecting the vastly conflicting views of the people.

People who have an inadequate understanding of politics may feel betrayed by the fact our politicians have been unable to agree on Brexit, but to be fair they represent a diverse group of constituencies who would each feel betrayed if their interests were not represented.

The inevitable consequence was constitutional crisis. This isn't some elitist conspiracy or plot to get out of Brexit, it's just what happens when a government has no way to reach agreement. It's hard to see any way at all out of it beyond going back to the people, which ironically is the most democratic thing you can do in the event of such a consensus failure and constitutional crisis.

[Brin]

Pure demographic changes mean that if not a single person changed their vote and different age groups voted exactly as they did at the referendum, remain would now win.

There is no mandate for a hard Brexit, or arguably even now soft Brexit.

If we have a hard Brexit without the people having a say democracy is dead I agree.

The problem with our democracy at the moment is that it has been tasked with delivering the undeliverable... there is no consensus on that Brexit should look like, and no way of reflecting the vastly conflicting views of the people.

People who have an inadequate understanding of politics may feel betrayed by the fact our politicians have been unable to agree on Brexit, but to be fair they represent a diverse group of constituencies who would each feel betrayed if their interests were not represented.

The inevitable consequence was constitutional crisis. This isn't some elitist conspiracy or plot to get out of Brexit, it's just what happens when a government has no way to reach agreement. It's hard to see any way at all out of it beyond going back to the people, which ironically is the most democratic thing you can do in the event of such a consensus failure and constitutional crisis.

But that would mean that the democratic vote that won the right to leave, was immaterial therefore holding no accountability and therefore true democracy is indeed dead, should as you say, another vote would have to take place.

[John2]

But that would mean that the democratic vote that won the right to leave, was immaterial therefore holding no accountability and therefore true democracy is indeed dead, should as you say, another vote would have to take place.

Not if the result of the original referendum turned out to be undeliverable in the format given.

If Rotherham United had a vote for fans to keep the old away shirt or pick a new one and they vote for a colour that the manufacturer can supply only with a different style to the once chosen that is widely despised... is it anti democratic to go back and ask the fans to select a different away shirt or keep the old one? If some fans insisted on the away shirt the fans had voted for even though it was impossible for the manufacturer to supply despite the clubs best efforts, wouldn't you think they were being a bit unreasonable? If they started to complain that if they didn't get the shirt they voted for it would be the end of democracy, wouldn't you think they were being a bit hysterical?

[the_idiotb_stardson]

Not if the result of the original referendum turned out to be undeliverable in the format given.

If Rotherham United had a vote for fans to keep the old away shirt or pick a new one and they vote for a colour that the manufacturer can supply only with a different style to the once chosen that is widely despised... is it anti democratic to go back and ask the fans to select a different away shirt or keep the old one? If some fans insisted on the away shirt the fans had voted for even though it was impossible for the manufacturer to supply despite the clubs best efforts, wouldn't you think they were being a bit unreasonable? If they started to complain that if they didn't get the shirt they voted for it would be the end of democracy, wouldn't you think they were being a bit hysterical?

A great example of the smug, condescending verbal trickery which the majority of the country rebelled against by voting 'leave'.

[Pattylallacks2]

The same evidence is used for sentencing, therefore we have innocent people in the slammer. Does that mean let everyone off in case we make a mistake

Don't be more stupid than you can help. If someone is in prison a miscarriage of justice can be rectified. If they've been hanged it can't.

[Stovicmiller]

Yorkshire ripper should have been strung up

[hotun]

The trouble with all these people who want a second referendum are all remainers and spend their time trying to justify why we should have one.I have not heard one of them discuss what the situation will be if leave won again,what are we going to do then make it the best of five,that's why a second referendum is ridiculous,no agreement on a deal we just walk away which is what we voted for to leave and will again lay the blame on the politicians doorstep

[Stovicmiller]

Remainers would want a third referendum. Mardy ****s

[hotun]

Yes probably true I voted leave when we turned popular opinion on its head,if I was forced into another vote it would make me more determined to vote leave and I know plenty who feel the same way,so bring it on you remainers��