o/t democracy is dead

[millmoormagic]

OK then, we import a lot of stuff from China and haven't had to import their people as well.

The EU share of world trade has been dropping for about 20 years.

You should also watch that Hugo Chavez doc to see what you're wishing on us.

So, you're wrong once again, it seems that you're very good at being wrong, given the amount of times you're proved it.....

I think you should actually take a real close look at the UK right now, millions of people suffering in-work poverty, homelessness massive, over 400 homeless people died on a British street in 2018.....foodbanks springing up in every single town, and struggling to manage the demand.....i could go on and on.....

On the flip side, the richest have been getting richer and richer......

https://www.theguardian.com/inequali...getting-poorer

[WanChaiMiller]

OK then, we import a lot of stuff from China and haven't had to import their people as well.

The EU share of world trade has been dropping for about 20 years.

We import from China under WTO regs. Absolute evidence we do not need to leave the EU to trade worldwide.

We are talking about free trade deals. The mood in China (and I read the same after a UK trade mission to India) is that if Britain wants our money and access to our markets they have to accept our people. All trade deals China has done in SE Asia and Africa includes unquestioned visa access for China citizens. Access for the main applicant and their family to work and easy visa access for visitors.

[great_fire]

So, you're wrong once again, it seems that you're very good at being wrong, given the amount of times you're proved it.....

I think you should actually take a real close look at the UK right now, millions of people suffering in-work poverty, homelessness massive, over 400 homeless people died on a British street in 2018.....foodbanks springing up in every single town, and struggling to manage the demand.....i could go on and on.....

On the flip side, the richest have been getting richer and richer......

https://www.theguardian.com/inequali...getting-poorer

Still not explained why free movement is needed in a trade deal.

Until the EEC became the EC that was what we had.

Comparing food banks to people genuinely starving in Venezuela is distasteful IMO.

[millmoormagic]

We import from China under WTO regs. Absolute evidence we do not need to leave the EU to trade worldwide.

We are talking about free trade deals. The mood in China (and I read the same after a UK trade mission to India) is that if Britain wants our money and access to our markets they have to accept our people. All trade deals China has done in SE Asia and Africa includes unquestioned visa access for China citizens. Access for the main applicant and their family to work and easy visa access for visitors.

Ooops GF, another one......

[millmoormagic]

Still not explained why free movement is needed in a trade deal.

Until the EEC became the EC that was what we had.

Comparing food banks to people genuinely starving in Venezuela is distasteful IMO.

What's distasteful is your willingness to highlight poverty in a foreign country for political point scoring whilst ignoring it in your own.....how very patriotic of you....

[WanChaiMiller]

We import most of our stuff from China and haven't noticed millions of Chinese people turning up with the cheap clothes and electronic gadgets.

Yet this is the very problem if we enter a free trade deal with any country. While we will be free to export what we want there, they are equally free to flood our market here. And if the deal is unregulated we are open to anything and everything.

If we want protection the deal will need to be regulated. This will take time - not as simple and straight forward as brexiteers suggest.

Regulation will safeguard both parties but will mean companies in each country has to manufacture to defined standards (the red tape we complain about in the EU will not go away). And many assume the final court of arbitration will be London but probably wont (so again many trade laws will not be made in the UK).

[WanChaiMiller]

WTO rules and regulations were not made in the UK and trade disputes will not be settled in British courts.

So the idea that a clean break from the EU to trade under WTO rules will regain our sovereignty is total b*llocks (to coin a phrase).

[great_fire]

Ooops GF, another one......

Why would the Chinese government want us to have their people?

Until recently they didn't let their citizens travel abroad at all.

[great_fire]

What's distasteful is your willingness to highlight poverty in a foreign country for political point scoring whilst ignoring it in your own.....how very patriotic of you....

It's not comparable.

There's a difference between people who are genuinely starving and people who use food banks in the UK.

No-one is starving in the UK, we have a generous benefit system, people from all over the world come here to use it.

Food banks are popular because they're free, anything that's given away free there's always going to be loads of demand.

[millmoormagic]

It's not comparable.

There's a difference between people who are genuinely starving and people who use food banks in the UK.

No-one is starving in the UK, we have a generous benefit system, people from all over the world come here to use it.

Food banks are popular because they're free, anything that's given away free there's always going to be loads of demand.

Absolutely comparable....https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/uk-pov...SAAEgIW-fD_BwE