Reply With QuoteAre you Henry by any chance?Originally Posted by JoePass
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No Swale, it's not just you who thinks they are idiotic. There's no need for such attacks on the Chairman, never mind his other business interests.
Cue the cries of "happy clapper", "nodding dog", "up AH's arse" etc from all those who resent the posting of reasonable, balanced views!
Nobody is saying Alan Hardy should be exempt from criticism. I've criticised him myself on various things. Right now there's a perfectly valid, constructive criticism that Alan Hardy's recent decisions have not worked and that as chairman and owner he must bear ultimate responsibility, based on the predicament in which we find ourselves. But if that's how we measure things, then you only have to go back one short year to Winter 2017/18 to find a time when we were in the promotion places and most if not all fans (probably including some of the idiots) were praising the same Chairman from the rooftops for breathing new life into the club.
So what's the true, fair assessment of Alan Hardy then? Well, to quote Kipling (Mike Bassett style) we should meet triumph and disaster and treat those two imposters just the same.
Alan Hardy was not the Messiah a year ago, and he isn't Satan's Little Helper now. He's a wealthy guy, successful in business but still relatively inexperienced in football club ownership terms, and he's seen in two short years the full range of highs and lows that investment in a football club can bring. No amount of business experience can prepare you for this unique, cut-throat industry in which you basically just burn money on a game of chance. Like an addictive poker player in a casino, you're never more than one good or bad decision away from triumph or disaster - or in football terms - one good or bad manager or result away from either a great or dismal run of form which could lead to promotion or relegation.
The people resorting to personal abuse of him and casting aspersions about his investment will invariably be folk who would never achieve or earn enough in their lives to consider buying and investing in a football club, let alone know how to run one. They just sit behind their computer screens or mobile phones spitting venom at people like Hardy, either because they envy his general status and wealth, or because it turns out he isn't a football magician who can guarantee them success and satisfaction. So, the snipers copy/paste every positive or optimistic statement Hardy ever made and thrown it back at him as a broken promise.
Some football club chairmen/owners probably do invite fan hostility, because they actively mistreat their entire support base or strip their club of assets. There is no way Hardy fits that description. At worst, he's a bit too keen on being centre of attention and too fond of Twitter, which leaves him open to the nastier elements. But all of us have our faults!
Hardy has gambled millions of pounds of his money, I believe in the genuine hope of achieving success for Notts County Football Club, and yes as a bit of an ego trip for himself as a sports fanatic. A year ago it looked like a good gamble, and right now it's looking like a losing one. The only certainty is that as long as you're willing to keep spending to stay in the game, you never know where the next decision or twist of fate will take you.
Notts County isn't the size and type of club that can afford to just welcome in, chew up and spit out owners on a whim, in the certain knowledge that there are more potential blue-chip investors waiting to put their heads on the chopping block. If we're lucky there might be another local businessmen with proven resources and genuine intent mad enough to buy a lower league side, but there's no guarantee. Alternatively you might get interest from a few hedge funds … or maybe the Twitter account of a relative of someone loosely connected to someone important in America … or you might stumble across another Russell King.
Ah yes, Russell King! If you ever doubted that some football fans are idiots, just look at those who STILL virtually laud Mr King for giving them their best season in living memory. Of course, they are right in one sense, because the Munto season was spectacular, but it was built on fraud and left the club with horrendous debts which Ray Trew inherited. I still believe Ray Trew started out similar to Alan Hardy, driven by the same combination of good ambitions to create a successful club, mixed with some ego gratification, but when his gambles didn't work, his relationship with the fans became so vitriolic that the whole environment became toxic.
Is this REALLY a mindset we want to recreate in Alan Hardy? Is it not possible to voice constructive criticism and understandable concern about the current situation without turning such comment into nasty personal attacks on the owner and his other business interests? Is it not possible that right now our chairman is feeling even more depressed than the rest of us are, but he's trying to stay positive and at least appear confident, because the people he's leading need him to be?
Praise is cheap when things are going well, but I would think that any goodwill and support the Notts fans can give to Mr Hardy right now would seem like gold dust in comparison.
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Are you Henry by any chance?
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Nah, Joe Pass' true identity is Soccerman. At least for us old timers.
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Yes he does...I have never, and I repeat NEVER ever seen a thread title on FM called 'Utter Twitter Twa*ttery' before. lol
Great credit to the fan who started it, does he want to sell copyrights to this thread title for future use ?.
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Excellent and beautifully written post as always.No Swale, it's not just you who thinks they are idiotic. There's no need for such attacks on the Chairman, never mind his other business interests.
Cue the cries of "happy clapper", "nodding dog", "up AH's arse" etc from all those who resent the posting of reasonable, balanced views!
Nobody is saying Alan Hardy should be exempt from criticism. I've criticised him myself on various things. Right now there's a perfectly valid, constructive criticism that Alan Hardy's recent decisions have not worked and that as chairman and owner he must bear ultimate responsibility, based on the predicament in which we find ourselves. But if that's how we measure things, then you only have to go back one short year to Winter 2017/18 to find a time when we were in the promotion places and most if not all fans (probably including some of the idiots) were praising the same Chairman from the rooftops for breathing new life into the club.
So what's the true, fair assessment of Alan Hardy then? Well, to quote Kipling (Mike Bassett style) we should meet triumph and disaster and treat those two imposters just the same.
Alan Hardy was not the Messiah a year ago, and he isn't Satan's Little Helper now. He's a wealthy guy, successful in business but still relatively inexperienced in football club ownership terms, and he's seen in two short years the full range of highs and lows that investment in a football club can bring. No amount of business experience can prepare you for this unique, cut-throat industry in which you basically just burn money on a game of chance. Like an addictive poker player in a casino, you're never more than one good or bad decision away from triumph or disaster - or in football terms - one good or bad manager or result away from either a great or dismal run of form which could lead to promotion or relegation.
The people resorting to personal abuse of him and casting aspersions about his investment will invariably be folk who would never achieve or earn enough in their lives to consider buying and investing in a football club, let alone know how to run one. They just sit behind their computer screens or mobile phones spitting venom at people like Hardy, either because they envy his general status and wealth, or because it turns out he isn't a football magician who can guarantee them success and satisfaction. So, the snipers copy/paste every positive or optimistic statement Hardy ever made and thrown it back at him as a broken promise.
Some football club chairmen/owners probably do invite fan hostility, because they actively mistreat their entire support base or strip their club of assets. There is no way Hardy fits that description. At worst, he's a bit too keen on being centre of attention and too fond of Twitter, which leaves him open to the nastier elements. But all of us have our faults!
Hardy has gambled millions of pounds of his money, I believe in the genuine hope of achieving success for Notts County Football Club, and yes as a bit of an ego trip for himself as a sports fanatic. A year ago it looked like a good gamble, and right now it's looking like a losing one. The only certainty is that as long as you're willing to keep spending to stay in the game, you never know where the next decision or twist of fate will take you.
Notts County isn't the size and type of club that can afford to just welcome in, chew up and spit out owners on a whim, in the certain knowledge that there are more potential blue-chip investors waiting to put their heads on the chopping block. If we're lucky there might be another local businessmen with proven resources and genuine intent mad enough to buy a lower league side, but there's no guarantee. Alternatively you might get interest from a few hedge funds … or maybe the Twitter account of a relative of someone loosely connected to someone important in America … or you might stumble across another Russell King.
Ah yes, Russell King! If you ever doubted that some football fans are idiots, just look at those who STILL virtually laud Mr King for giving them their best season in living memory. Of course, they are right in one sense, because the Munto season was spectacular, but it was built on fraud and left the club with horrendous debts which Ray Trew inherited. I still believe Ray Trew started out similar to Alan Hardy, driven by the same combination of good ambitions to create a successful club, mixed with some ego gratification, but when his gambles didn't work, his relationship with the fans became so vitriolic that the whole environment became toxic.
Is this REALLY a mindset we want to recreate in Alan Hardy? Is it not possible to voice constructive criticism and understandable concern about the current situation without turning such comment into nasty personal attacks on the owner and his other business interests? Is it not possible that right now our chairman is feeling even more depressed than the rest of us are, but he's trying to stay positive and at least appear confident, because the people he's leading need him to be?
Praise is cheap when things are going well, but I would think that any goodwill and support the Notts fans can give to Mr Hardy right now would seem like gold dust in comparison.
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Honestly, I despair. If these are indeed Notts fans, they should hang their heads in shame. It seems they are intent on winding up the only person who stands between us and financial ruin.
I totally agree with everything that Jackal wrote above. Hardy has done his best to make this club a success. He alone cannot be blamed for the position we are in, just as he alone couldn't take full credit for us being top of the league a year ago. Football changes so quickly that it's hard to keep up, and it just so happens that everything that could go wrong has gone wrong for us this season. But his intentions have always been good.
So what if he likes attention? So what if he's driven by his ego? Unless you're a Buddhist monk, so are you. What right do we have to criticise the man's personality anyway? The only criticism that Hardy genuinely warrants is the fact he has returned to using his personal Twitter account to hold ongoing arguments with idiot fans. As we all know, this is never going to end well. Even if he doesn't reply, he'll have to wade through the endless crap posted from lowlife Mansfield and Forest trolls every day. Why put yourself through it?
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Best post I have read for a long timeNo Swale, it's not just you who thinks they are idiotic. There's no need for such attacks on the Chairman, never mind his other business interests.
Cue the cries of "happy clapper", "nodding dog", "up AH's arse" etc from all those who resent the posting of reasonable, balanced views!
Nobody is saying Alan Hardy should be exempt from criticism. I've criticised him myself on various things. Right now there's a perfectly valid, constructive criticism that Alan Hardy's recent decisions have not worked and that as chairman and owner he must bear ultimate responsibility, based on the predicament in which we find ourselves. But if that's how we measure things, then you only have to go back one short year to Winter 2017/18 to find a time when we were in the promotion places and most if not all fans (probably including some of the idiots) were praising the same Chairman from the rooftops for breathing new life into the club.
So what's the true, fair assessment of Alan Hardy then? Well, to quote Kipling (Mike Bassett style) we should meet triumph and disaster and treat those two imposters just the same.
Alan Hardy was not the Messiah a year ago, and he isn't Satan's Little Helper now. He's a wealthy guy, successful in business but still relatively inexperienced in football club ownership terms, and he's seen in two short years the full range of highs and lows that investment in a football club can bring. No amount of business experience can prepare you for this unique, cut-throat industry in which you basically just burn money on a game of chance. Like an addictive poker player in a casino, you're never more than one good or bad decision away from triumph or disaster - or in football terms - one good or bad manager or result away from either a great or dismal run of form which could lead to promotion or relegation.
The people resorting to personal abuse of him and casting aspersions about his investment will invariably be folk who would never achieve or earn enough in their lives to consider buying and investing in a football club, let alone know how to run one. They just sit behind their computer screens or mobile phones spitting venom at people like Hardy, either because they envy his general status and wealth, or because it turns out he isn't a football magician who can guarantee them success and satisfaction. So, the snipers copy/paste every positive or optimistic statement Hardy ever made and thrown it back at him as a broken promise.
Some football club chairmen/owners probably do invite fan hostility, because they actively mistreat their entire support base or strip their club of assets. There is no way Hardy fits that description. At worst, he's a bit too keen on being centre of attention and too fond of Twitter, which leaves him open to the nastier elements. But all of us have our faults!
Hardy has gambled millions of pounds of his money, I believe in the genuine hope of achieving success for Notts County Football Club, and yes as a bit of an ego trip for himself as a sports fanatic. A year ago it looked like a good gamble, and right now it's looking like a losing one. The only certainty is that as long as you're willing to keep spending to stay in the game, you never know where the next decision or twist of fate will take you.
Notts County isn't the size and type of club that can afford to just welcome in, chew up and spit out owners on a whim, in the certain knowledge that there are more potential blue-chip investors waiting to put their heads on the chopping block. If we're lucky there might be another local businessmen with proven resources and genuine intent mad enough to buy a lower league side, but there's no guarantee. Alternatively you might get interest from a few hedge funds … or maybe the Twitter account of a relative of someone loosely connected to someone important in America … or you might stumble across another Russell King.
Ah yes, Russell King! If you ever doubted that some football fans are idiots, just look at those who STILL virtually laud Mr King for giving them their best season in living memory. Of course, they are right in one sense, because the Munto season was spectacular, but it was built on fraud and left the club with horrendous debts which Ray Trew inherited. I still believe Ray Trew started out similar to Alan Hardy, driven by the same combination of good ambitions to create a successful club, mixed with some ego gratification, but when his gambles didn't work, his relationship with the fans became so vitriolic that the whole environment became toxic.
Is this REALLY a mindset we want to recreate in Alan Hardy? Is it not possible to voice constructive criticism and understandable concern about the current situation without turning such comment into nasty personal attacks on the owner and his other business interests? Is it not possible that right now our chairman is feeling even more depressed than the rest of us are, but he's trying to stay positive and at least appear confident, because the people he's leading need him to be?
Praise is cheap when things are going well, but I would think that any goodwill and support the Notts fans can give to Mr Hardy right now would seem like gold dust in comparison.
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Yes good post. So many have floundered on Twitter and made themselves look stupid. I do wish Hardy and the Notts trolls would leave it alone. It's embarrassing in the extreme. Football anyone? We're in the sh1t and need to pull together not argue amongst ourselves
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It's got to the point that the Parody account is feeling redundant, AH is outdoing him on his own!
The trolls (we don't know that they are Notts) can't be stopped, though some seriously will not have the mental skills to understand inter-company loans, contract price and profit, timescales etc.
My issue is that AH should be able to see through all this and that he doesn't seem able to reflects on his judgement and with NCFC his judgement from appointing the "next England Manager" to arguing about Meadow Lane is bigger than Field Mill is, in my opinion, suspect.
If I recall correctly he stumbled on the business opportunity to build someone a shed. I would then say, as have others, that he probably got some good people around him, perhaps more by luck than judgement. He clearly has energy and vision (off to Birmingham 6am to see his daughter play before going on to Yeovil) but I could write a page of poor judgements he's made from taking photos of kids in changing rooms, speeding etc etc. People make mistakes, he says he's learning yet he's "tw@ttering" all the time to no good effect.
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I agree with Oldpie.
Last night he was arguing with a Stags fan on there and as someone else asked him " haven't you got anything better to do?"
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